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There has been a recent post discussing the possability of spectators working out effects.

What are your favourite foolers - the ones which even magicians have trouble figuring out and would pretty much bamboozle any enthusiastic spectator of 'average inteligence'?
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Well sometimes magician foolers are not laymen foolers... Magicians see things differently and may sometimes get fooled by the simplest things.
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^Correct. Magicians sometimes look too hard and miss the obvious things. that's why Blizzard by Dean Dill was fooling everyone.
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Any effect using a stooge will KILL and it's quite satidfying bamboozling knowledgable magicians this way.
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Most "magician foolers" are simply too boring for laymen to have to sit through. So, it doesn't really matter in the long run.

Assuming that magicians are more clever than the "general public" is one of the worst mistakes to make as a magician IMO.

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Pit Hartling`s book Cardfictions is full of routines that will fool amaze and entertain magicians and layman alike.
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So are Simon Aronson's books. While not all "real world" tricks, his thinking is utterly diabolical.

I put in the time to learn Everybody's Lazy and it is not only so good you want to create a venue just to perform it, it also learns you a new way of thinking and learning.
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Gambling routines can be difficult for magicians to follow if done correctly.

Of course there is no clear rule that what fools magicians will automatically fool AND entertain lay people. And yes what fools one person for eternity will sometimes only fool another for no more than a second if his/her brain happens to click into the 'right' mode of thinking.

This intrigues me. For example, I remember performing OOTW to a girl once and unlike any other person I have ever performed it to, she almost immediately worked out exactly what had happened. She obviously visualised the workings and even identified the reason for the switch over.

This thread though was started to identify effects (whether entertaining to lay people or not) which are pretty indestructable. OOTW for example may bamboozle most, especially with a solid performance, but there is a clear answer to be sought.

There are other tricks which have built-in bluffs and invisible moves. For example, Lorraine's Halo Aces is difficult for magician's to back-track and follow. The move is virtually invisible and the effect is lightening fast.
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