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I purchased 2 Four Nightmare DX recently from an overseas magic shop and just received them. Without giving anything away, I noticed two things.

The gimmicked areas are kind of a bit "wet" looking and slightly off color. Are they all like that?

I was thinking of putting a bit of white out over it so it does not stick out of the whiteness of the rope. Should I even have to do that? The off white wet look area is slightly noticeable. The description says you can't see how it is done even close up. I disagree with that. Still is a nice item.

I also got an Illusion Scale and while I think it is cool too, I remember someone telling me they were made out of plastic. The ones I got are slightly shiny, thin cardboard. Are there different versions?

Thanks Smile.
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I believe you are right that'scool. I also bought Nightmare DX not that long ago (from Maxello) and while the package/discription sais that the gimmicks are so well hidden I don't think that's interely true. I'm confident that from a few feet away no one will notice anything but up (very) close there is something to see ... indeed a kind of 'wet' looking slightly off color.

What do you mean with 'white out'?

Illusion Scales have always been on laminated cardboard as far as I know, the first one I bought a few years ago and the recent one I bought as spare are both the same.
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Thanks for the quick response Tweety, I was hoping it was not just me Smile.

White out is a type of white thin liquid paint that you use to erase an error on a piece of paper.

I got my items from Maxello too, lol. Just did not want to say at first. The prices for both items were the lowest (though it took a long time to receive the items). That is the trade off for sometimes better prices. Maxello is very low on some items, and a big high on others.

The white out might help the slightly darker (a tiny bit yellow in one area on one rope) area blend a bit better, but then again it might make it worse, lol. Not sure yet if I should try it.

I noticed in Magic Co's Ebay DX Rope photo that it seems to be a bit better blended as I can't see the "gimmicked" part. Could just be the photo.

Illusion Scales is a fun item. Maybe I will have them laminated so it lasts longer.
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The Illusion Scales I bought from Hitomi last year were made from thin plastic. Great spin on a classic effect for sure.
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Mine are thin plastic too.
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My ropes are off colored where they soaked in the glue that was used. They are light grey and not white but it is not that noticeable. I think painting them will make them worse.
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My Illusion Scale is also thin plastic I think. I noticed that the case in the picture at Maxello is different from the one I have as well. Their case is rectangular while the one I have is curved to fit the shape of the other pieces.
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So I think it's time for to say what I wanna say for long time but I don't say lol
I removed very quickly web address of Maxello Shop on my blog in link section because all the items I bought in this shop was defective, or different from the original vesrion.
But as everyone here seemed happy I did not say nothing.
My illusion scale is plastic and my original DX rope are perfect even in Close up ( you have to standing so it's not real close up but very close ) The rope and gimmick are white and really you can not see the glue. It's perfect.
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That's interesting Stereo. I have purchased several Tenyo items from Maxello in the past and did not have any issues.
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I must say I have also been wondering about them as well since their prices are so much less on some items.
However I have bought from them in the past and I never had any problems. I don't have the originals to compare them to but the tricks I bought from Maxello seem to be the same as far as I can tell.
Stereo, What items did you find defective or different from the original?

By the way I took a quick look at my Four Nightmares and they looked perfectly fine to me.
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Also bought from Maxello in the past ... nothing wrong with the items, they are genuine Tenyo. I'd love to compare my Four Nightmares from Maxello to the ones now (and in the past) being sold elsewhere ... .

By the way, I just had a very good look at the pictures of Four Nightmares DX on Stereo's website, and the 'gimmick' at the ends of the ropes are also a bit discoloured, but perhaps that's the picture?
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I've bought sveral times from Maxello (back when they had Alpha Tunnel for sale), and the only thing that went wrong was that one order contained a Dragon Altar that I haven't even ordered....! Smile
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For example I have buy Card Frame and the behind have no grain of sand on it. So impossible to perform the effect. So I was very disappointed.
As you see on photo of DX rope on blog in the loop you can not easily see where is the junction and yet it is a very close-up photo.
After the problem is that the finger hold the end of each rope and may ultimately damaging it and make it dirty, giving a less white than the rest of the rope. But the finish is still flawless I find.

Maybe the old edition of Illusion Scale is cardboard and the new is plastic. But I think Maxello sold the new so don't understand why your edition is cardboard. My case is curved too. buy to Magico Japan.
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My cases that the cardboard cats fit in (bought 2 as they were only $9.95) are rectangular thin blue plastic.

The cats are cardboard though Smile and the Dx ropes are a bit obvious with the darker glue areas. One has a small bit of a yellow tinge.

Oh well.

I did however, get a great mint set of items from fellow Café member, (Rafael) who was selling a group of 5 items. Great to deal with, packed well, and items were exactly as he said they were Smile.
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Illusion Scale is made in plastic. If yours are made of cardboard, they're probably counterfeit.
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Thanks for the info Richard.

I got my carboard Illusion Scales from Maxello...Smile.

Now I am wondering about the 2 DX rope tricks I purchased from them...
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That's Cool,

The Illusion Scale you got seems Not Cool. You should have the curved brown holding case. See Stereo's site for what the packaging looks like. It yours the same?

Also I noticed on Stereo's site that on the Four Nightmare DX, there is a color Tenyo logo on the Zip Lock Bag.

Mine does not have that. Also when I opened my booklet up, the pages are loose. Should they be stapled in like a booklet or are they all just with loose folded papers.

Four Nightmare DX would not be a difficult trick to counterfeit.

I got Illusion Scales from SEO and Tokyo Hobby which are both the same being thin plastic with curved brown case. The Four Nightmare DX was from Maxello.
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My pages are loose too, and I noticed on Magic Co's lisiting, her bag does not have the color logo either, though I trust her totally. Could Tenyo have changed the packaging?

Anyone have more input about the Four Nightmare?

My Illusion Scale appears to be a knock off from what I am hearing here. My case is definately rectangle and not in a Tenyo wrapper. It says "First Magic" in the corner.

Now I am ticked off.

Both items were purchased from Maxello.
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Just double checked on Maxello's site:

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Description says Item-ID: to-10083 |Illusion Scale by Tenyo..............

And it is NOT.

Now I wonder about the 2 $$$ DX I bought which are sloppily constructed.

Just sent email to "John" from Maxello.
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Just got this email from "John" from Maxello:

Hi, please return items not up to expectations for a refund.
Return address is on the invoice.

Best regards
John
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Not up to expectations? I expect what you sell me to be what you advertise it to be...

Jeeze.

No wonder they have 37 in stock... I waited forever to get this stuff and now I send it back and wait forever to get a refund.

Could the DX still be real and be that sloppy?
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