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Jesper Amstrup New user Denmark 89 Posts |
Nick
that's a great little app. Thanks! |
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Pablo Tejero Inner circle Zaragoza, SPAIN 1201 Posts |
Do you know a better set-up of any memorized deck than this one: have the memorized deck in one pocket, and do a deck-change with your normal deck?
I think is the easiest way in the world. Magic must be easy. All the best magic, Pablo Tejero
"The Magic is in the air, you just have to... breathe it!"
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Mito Veteran user Japan 319 Posts |
I've got the Aronson stack memorized by heart, just from using his stack quiz available on his website.
Now, for my first Aronson book purchase, I'd like to get one that doesn't teach the setup or memorization techniques, but instead just focuses on effects for those who have already commited it to memory. I'm thinking the newest one, "Try The Impossible" might be best, but I'm not sure. Could anyone advise me? Actually, I'd be interested in any books that have a lot of effects that can be applied to this stack. I've heard good things about Michael Close's "Workers #5" too... |
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Scott Cram Inner circle 2678 Posts |
Here's a couple of references that will help you easily go from a shuffled deck to your favorite stack:
“Bait And Switch” - A spectator names a number from 1-52, shuffles the cards, and selects a card. The card is returned to the pack and shuffled. The spectator then takes the deck behind his back, does a little work, and announces that the selected card is in the named position. The position is then delt to, and the selected card found there. Interestingly, the deck begins shuffled, and finishes in your stacked order, “Aronson Approach, The”, Simon Aronson “Remote Control” - Performer and spectator each shuffle a deck. Performer’s deck is placed in spectator’s pocket. Performer then has spectator peek at a card from the other deck. Performer then mentions a location in the deck in spectator’s pocket, which proves to be the location of the spectator’s chosen card, “Scams & Fantasies With Cards”, Darwin Ortiz “Subtle Game, A” - 4 cards are selected by 4 spectators. The cards are returned to the deck and lost. The performer then names cards at random, and the spectators hand the performer those cards. At the end of the effect, the spectators are left only with their respective chosen cards, “The Encyclopedia of Card Tricks”, Jean Hugard |
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Magicmike1949 Special user 643 Posts |
For Mito,
All of Aronson's books have excellent effects in them. |
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david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts |
I agree...aronson's material is awesome...highly recommended.
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marky707 Regular user 138 Posts |
How long did it take you to memorize the stack?
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RevJohn Inner circle Oregon City Oregon, Oregon 2473 Posts |
The UnDo Principle out of Try The Impossible is fantastic. It is the first book I have purchased by Aronson, and I think it is wonderful.
The second on his stack is great as well, since it includes many effects that end with the Stack in the orginal order. John |
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david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts |
Yea but bound to please has his best work on the aronson stack. try the impossible has a lot of repetitive routines..boud to please has probably the single best memorized eck trick I have come across...histed heisted.
marky, I learnt the stack in about 2 weeks. I wasnt very comfortable with it until probably a month though. |
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Nick Pudar Veteran user 369 Posts |
I agree with "Histed Heisted" as being a great and entertaining effect. I also have to put in a good word for "Everybody's Lazy." It is very entertaining when done well, and it is such a different kind of card routine, that it does not even feel like a card trick for laymen. I can't remember which book it is in, but you can't go wrong with any on Simon's books -- you should get them all!
Incidently, for those of you who know, or are learning "Everybody's Lazy," my StackView software has part of that routine built in. (You have to already know the routine for this to make sense.) On the Selection tab of the Control Window, choose "Cut - Sel Next - Repeat 2" from the special handling section. This way you can practice thinking through the rest of the routine. Nick
Let me explain. No, there is too much. Let me sum up.
www.stackview.com Version 5.0 is available! |
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Magicmike1949 Special user 643 Posts |
Nick,
I've been to your site and want to thank you for sharing it with us. I'll be spending more time there. |
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Nick Pudar Veteran user 369 Posts |
Mike,
No problem. It's been fun programming StackView. I have to admit, the new Search feature had my head spinning for quite a while, but it works, and I'm hopeful that someone wil put it to good use and discover some exciting new stuff. I've already had some interesting new ideas flow in for new features in the next version. Keep the ideas coming. Nick
Let me explain. No, there is too much. Let me sum up.
www.stackview.com Version 5.0 is available! |
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Alessandro Scotti Loyal user Italy 263 Posts |
I've used a program of my own to search about nine thousand billion decks (that's 9,000,000,000,000, at a rate of about 5 millions per second) and so far no joy! There are so many decks to explore that you would really need a lucky shot!
Walk of Mind: the best source of bad magic
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Nick Pudar Veteran user 369 Posts |
The way StackView handles the search is to start with any deck order (that you specify) and then try different combinations of manipulations (that you specify). It will try to find which sequence results in a match with another deck that you specify (either whole or partial deck). The problem with this approach is today's computer speeds. Consider this: with 26 maximum moves to try, and 16,071 possible manipulations per move, and conidering how many manipulations can be tried per second, if you wanted to do a complete search (all possible combinations) it could take up to 1.80 E +95 millenia (yes millenia) to calculate. Obviously not very practical. So, StackView allows you to refine the search parameters -- and hopefully somone will intelligently narrow those parameters and find the ellusive "New Deck to Aronson" sequence.
Nick
Let me explain. No, there is too much. Let me sum up.
www.stackview.com Version 5.0 is available! |
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Alessandro Scotti Loyal user Italy 263 Posts |
Yep, same thing here. The problem is actually in tweaking the search parameters: how would one narrow them "intelligently"? My approach so far has followed the criteria of "practicality": the computer explores only moves I can do and that I think can be done more or less deceptively... as I've said, nothing yet.
Walk of Mind: the best source of bad magic
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Nick Pudar Veteran user 369 Posts |
Agreed. First search the stuff you can (or would) do. But that is no guarantee that a solution will ever be found. I even toyed (briefly) with the idea of doing a SETI-like distributed search task where voluteer computers could share the search at night by parsing out the task in smaller chunks. But a quick back-of-the-envelope calculation proved that to be only a small improevement in search time -- not worth the effort at today's computer speeds. When quantum computers become available however...
Nick
Let me explain. No, there is too much. Let me sum up.
www.stackview.com Version 5.0 is available! |
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Jay Elf Elite user 466 Posts |
Quote:
On 2003-09-28 16:18, Mike Powers wrote: Is the title of this memory effect "Unforgettable" which is in a Hartling's Card Fictions book? |
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Magicmike1949 Special user 643 Posts |
No this is alittle different.Unforgettable is a great trick though.It's very similar to this.
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Jay Elf Elite user 466 Posts |
Thanks, Magicmike1949.
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