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trey
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Funny table story I borrowed a table at a convention many moons ago. And did my parlor act which involved a bowl of fire setting on said table. After the act I was informed that the table was an antique and worth around 20K... I nearly died! The things we do when we are young!
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Rodney Palmer, you are mistaken with the FlipDisc Table. The primary design is soyou don't have toduckbehind the case. Check out this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMxefUbXS_Y
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The flip disc products are on my wish list at the moment. Unfortunately I'm not doing enough shows to warrant that amount of money for a table no matter how ideal. I had a table custom built a while back that is absolutely beautiful and a dream to work on (beats any closeup mat on the market today for feel and ease of use) but it was too heavy for the table base I had at the time. I've taken to using a bar stool to support it (though I need to add some kind of clamp to hold it in place for when a spectator leans on the edge)

One question to flip disc, how sturdy are your metal table bases? How much can they hold without wobbling? My table measures about 18" by 25" approx. (I don't have it infront of me at the moment to give exact measurements) and is made out of oak. Thus the weight issue. It has a four inch skirt of wood around the bottom and is perfect for setting on any table and I've been considering adding a modified servante. My only other viable option that I've seen is an extremely strong table base made for computers which costs a bit more than your table base. The width and weight of my table may cause your table base to wobble regardless, but I would like to know if it's worth looking into. It looks a lot stronger than my last table base which is why I'm considering it at all.
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@Flip Disc,

This is with all due respect to your products. They are very well made. But you missed my POINT. And that was your Tables are just way to Heavy and they get Heavier when they are full of props.

Because of the use of Heavy Tables such as the Lefler and others. I now have 2-Torn Rotator Cuffs from lugging around these HEAVY Type Tables. If you want to save your HEALTH and your Rotator Cuffs and your Lower Back especially the L-4/L-5 Region DO NOT PURCHASE or CARRY around HEAVY Suitcase Type Tables as you will regret it later in life. I am only 47 and I am messed up for life. I cannot afford to take off over 3-Years to have all the Surgeries and Physical Therapy done. Can you afford to do this?

Rodney
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I had a flip disc product (Ultimate Gig Case), and cannot recommend them for being sturdy or built for professionals. The flip disc product was very weak, flimsy, and has been repaired several times, starting two weeks after I got it. A FIVE YEAR OLD KID leaned on the table and it broke! The base was very sturdy, it was just a drum stand (as already mentioned) but the table top was very poorly assembled.

Dancing Spring no longer offers their tables...it appears. Too bad, I heard they were the best

Try an Instand, or having someone custom make one, using a simple drum stand, as mentioned before. Instand guarantees their tables, and has the weight limit of each table listed. Most manufacturers of tables won't list that info...they know their tables won't hold much.

As mentioned in another post, the Flip Disc ultimate gig case was not practicle as it weighed A TON empty! In addition, it came with weak casters that lasted only a couple weeks and were promptly replaced with professional ones from Harbor Freight.

Still on the lookout for a good, portable, lightweight side table!

Hope that helps,
Kevin
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First find a case that can carry the props you require, box flight case, briefcase style etc. Decorate with a colour scheme or style in keeping with your show. Place on a Walkstool Comfort, select model according to the working height you favour [http://www.walkstool.com/].

If you simply need it for a work surface rather than prop storage during your show you could simply drape a cloth over it, finishing off with a closeup mat.

Works a treat.
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I own an Ultimate Gig Case II from Flip Disc and I LOVE it! I have owned mine for over a year and it's just as strudy as the day I got it. Is it heavy? Maybe to some with the case and the side table....maybe 35 lbs. empty. Perhaps Doug can weigh in with exact weight. I find that having a handle on each side of the case an advantage if you are weighed down with a TON of props. One person on each side to carry it, as opposed to having a center handle like the Lefler table. The only lifting is in/out of the van or going upstairs, there is always someone willing to lend a hand, other than that it wheels around.

When I first saw this table and really gave it a going over, I saw the advantages. Is it pricey? Maybe...but like I said about Chance Wolfs products...good things aren't cheap and cheap things aren't good. I saved for 6 months to purchase this table and it's one of the best investments I have ever made! I knew I was going to have it for a long time.

Rodney, I'm with you in age (49 in acouple of weeks) and everything is still working as it should, just trying to work smarter not harder. If people want to help carry some of my heavy things....I let them. LOL

Is this table for every performer? Probably not, just like every trick is not for every magician.

Just my two cents, for what it's worth.

Mark
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Most of the Suitcase Tables when FULL of Props, etc. weigh in around the 60 lb. region and that is way to HEAVY for one person even to lift in and out of your vehicle. I am a One Man Show and rarely do I ask people to help me out. The only exception to helping me out are School Shows where I usually have 2-Fifth Grade Boys help me Load in and Load out. I pay them with a 2-Card Monte Effect. After the Show I request permission from their teacher to show them how to perform the effect. And they are very happy that they now know how to perform an effect. But I always tell them to go home and practice for at least 1-week before they show it to their class or anyone else.

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Is there a reason that the original poster didn't want a small portable side table, with something like a briefcase? You can set the briefcase on the table for most of the act, and shuffle cards on top of the closed briefcase. Simply open the briefcase when you want to take a trick out. Or, if you're a purist, take the briefcase off of the table for a short bit while performing the cards on only the table (an alternative to a briefcase could be something like a doctor's bag).

A few years ago I saw Bill Abbott perform a very entertaining hour long public show for an audience of 350-400, using only a briefcase (might have been a doctor's bag) and stand. So, some performers can pack a whole show in a briefcase.

Here are some options for tables, from the small to the larger:


- Fairchild Quick Set Side Table

- Instand CR3

- Bill Abbott Pack Smart Table (currentl......someone)

- Fairchild Deluxe Side Table


- Showtime Magic's Ultimate Table Base-Compact

- Showtime Magic's Ultimate Table Base-Large


- Fairchild Laflin Table

- Showtime Magic's Hank Moorehouse Cube Table

- Charvet Magic's Deluxe 10 Second Table

- Charvet Magic's Original 10 Second Table


- Showtime Magic's Pro Suitcase Table-Large (Joe Lefler)

- Showtime Magic's Pro Suitcase Table-Small (Joe Lefler)

- Showtime Magic's Pro Suitcase Table-Mini (Joe Lefler)

- Fairchild Magic's Alum-I-Lite suitcase Table


- Donald

P.S. I'm going to suggest something about the weight. I have used a Lefler table for over 20 years, and it is heavy when loaded. But then again, it does have wheels. Most of the people who have back problems from lifting a table in and out of their vehicle, aren't having it because of the weight of the table. It's more about how they are lifting it, or because they themselves are overweight (lots of back problems are tied to being overweight / not maintaining good health and exercise).
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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Donald

I have had back problems in the past (spasms), not due to my weight (135 lbs), but to poor lifting technique. It's always good to do some good stretching in the a.m. to start the day and remember to lift with your legs!

Mark
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It seems odd that suitcase tables haven't kept up with advances in materials. I prefer to use lightweight plastic cases, because they weigh so much less than the props. When I built my own suitcase tables, I started to lose my motivation, because the cases were hard to maneuver in many venues. The weight was a huge problem.
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Gee Alan--I guess that I'm not the only one!

I had a magician friend who taught wood shop in a Junior High School.

He offered to build me a "Merv Taylor" style suitcase table. We discussed weight, portability, sturdiness, ETC. --It had to "take it" on the road, and still look nice.

It arrived, It was well made, reasonably light weight, and looked first class.

I spent much of a week arranging props, etc.

I hit the road with it. It was heavier (even though my props only weigh about 18 lbs)than I liked, but I gave it a season's use. I ended up with a CHIROPRACTOR!

I went back to my little 13" x 20" x 8" fibre "suitcase" and a small waiter's cross legs!
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I received a Flip Disc Ultimate Gig Case II three days ago. The quality is incredible and the case is marvelous. Designed impeccably.

HOWEVER it is *WAY WAY WAY* too heavy for me. The table is about 55lbs EMPTY. I'm 6' and 145lbs (skinny dude), and gig 300 days a year, much of it flying. I can barely get it in and out of my car without straining and worry about hurting myself. With props in it, forget it. Plus, it's over the weight requirement for checked luggage and most airlines will charge $100 EACH WAY in order to check it.

Flip Disc has offered me a refund minus 10% restocking fee (which doesn't thrill me, but I suppose that's fair). I plan on sending it back to him after the weekend. If anybody here does not have the concerns that I do and is interested in buying it off of me instead, I'll send it for $600 including shipping.

Private message me.

~Brian
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Brian,
In addition to being way, way to heavy, the construction build is NOT quality. I had one. I HAVE one! If you haven't ever used it, it may seem "incredible," but from a professional who actually used it...it's not!

This thing wouldn't last one flight, much less several. I had a five year old kid break mine, just by leaning on it! Then the handles came off. Then the wheels broke. It's been one disaster after another.

Do yourself a favor and find another case, plastic is best!

Still on the lookout for an awesome case......

Hope this helps,
Kevin
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As I said, I've had it 3 days and haven't gigged with it, so I can't speak to whether it will hold up or not in a constant touring situation like I am. I don't intend to find out.
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Kevin, You have one of the original cases which were only out for a short period of time. The series II cases have all ATA recessed hardware and 2 1/2" heavy duty casters. We are always looking for ways toimprove the case and appreciate feed back. I have flown mine several times to conventions with no problem. We are looking for ways to reduce weight without jepordizing structure or increasing cost. Keepin mind that these are 2 cases in 1 with a sturdy metal stand. They are designed with weight & balance in mind and still weigh less than 2 suitcaes tables.I strive to put the best caseout I can and realize that there is no 1 case that is a perfect fit for everyone. I have built many custom cases for clients to fit their needs.
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Flip Disc,
The recessed hardware does nothing to make this thing sturdier, lighter, that's just for looks. I haven't had any problems with the handles.

The build construction of the case was poor (joints weren't properly aligned, etc.) You can see a space in one of the joints in the bottom of the case!

The casters were junk, they wouldn't last rolling over one parking lot, but I got around that by getting my own from Harbor Freight.

The table flange was screwed in with screws that were way too small and barely entered the wood. For $700, I expected much, much higher quality.

Glad to hear you're making improvements, I wish you the best of luck!

Kevin
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On 2013-10-04 23:46, Dick Oslund wrote:
Gee Alan--I guess that I'm not the only one!

I had a magician friend who taught wood shop in a Junior High School.

He offered to build me a "Merv Taylor" style suitcase table. We discussed weight, portability, sturdiness, ETC. --It had to "take it" on the road, and still look nice.

It arrived, It was well made, reasonably light weight, and looked first class.

I spent much of a week arranging props, etc.

I hit the road with it. It was heavier (even though my props only weigh about 18 lbs)than I liked, but I gave it a season's use. I ended up with a CHIROPRACTOR!

I went back to my little 13" x 20" x 8" fibre "suitcase" and a small waiter's cross legs!


You're right, Dick. Those fiber cases are nice and light.

I use a 14" X 18" X 30" plastic tote, which rests on a wooden restaurant tray jack, for the family shows. The totes are made by Sterilite and comes in a variety of colors. They're so light that I can easily do curls with them, using only my little finger. They absorb shock well under normal circumstances and aren't prone to cracking.

For stand-up shows for the adults, I typically use a vinyl catalog case on a 30" folding barstool.
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Hi Alan! It sounds like you've "found" the right one to fit your situation for family type shows.

I knew Lefler--casually. His tables may fit some magician's needs, but definitely not mine! I saw him work a family show once. YUK.

I found a "shrunken" version of a waiter's tray stand in a thrift shop, about 15 years ago ($5.00). My prop case fit nicely and I used it for many years. I still use it for the occasional club date. For my last several years (before I retired) I put big casters on an old CARROUSEL slide projector table (like a waiter stand, but had a hard top). It made working on gym floors a lot easier.

For a season or two in the early '80s, I used two cases for the school show. I had found a catalog case (like new) at a yard sale, for $3.00!!!. I also had found a little case used by hair dressers when they made 'house calls'. The cat. case sat on a chair, and the hairdresser case sat on an OLD "Drive In" car tray (it hooked on the car door). I could hook the tray on a borrowed chair back. (The tray cost me $1.00 in a California thrift shop! It, too, gets occasional use.

Karrell invited me to come along on a club date in Detroit (20 years ago) His 30 minute act carried in a leather "shoe box' size case (which also carried the tripod table base! I asked him where he found the table base. He said it was a base used by court reporters to hold their stenotype machines. He had paid $75.00 for it in an office supply store.

The following year, I "visited" a thrift shop in Fresno, CA. On a big table marked: "Anything on this table--$2.00", I spotted a "dupe' of Karrell's tripe, (NEW!). I grabbed it and headed for the check out counter. An elderly lady was the cashier. She asked where I had found it. I pointed to "the" table. She said "Everything on that table is 1/2 off today!" When I showed it to Karrell the next summer at Abbott's, he almost cried! (Karrell was not only a very funny guy, he was also extremely "thrifty"!)
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Thank you for your input Kevin. Without input we would have no idea what's working and what need attention. We have addressed all the issues you have mentioned and continue to look for ways to build better products.
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