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Dannydoyle
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You do not become a great hypnotist in a morning. Can we all agree upon that?

I don't know what credability you think bobser had to lose but ok. Obviously all his information comes from 40 year old books as he just admitted.

He can't help himself. Bobser YOU are the one who seems to need to learn from newer books. As I said you are the guy who saw a UFO and the rest of the world is nuts.

Don't worry, we won't tell anyone. Just keep attacking attacking attacking. It is really all you seem to be good at.

I know you have a vested interest in abreactions being REAL. I don't doubt you get them I just say you cause them. They are not repressed memories or anything of the sort. Obviously you have no need to learn anything.

I think you don't even have a memory. Hypnokid has had a problem with me in the past that YOU encouraged! Now you think all those silly references are funny. Some therapist. A major anger problem and no memory to speak of.
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I've created a monster... Smile
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Oh Danny has always been a monster. No need to blame yourself!
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It's fun here in the lower leagues innit?
Visionquest attcks Tony at every opportunity before getting slaughtered and then attacks his (Tony's) actual COUNTRY!!! Nice one.
All we've discovered here visiony is that you're a complete eejit at learning stuff.
Oh and your line about "hypnotherapy is easy" would thrill Milton Erikson I'm sure. What a cock!
Danny, I've already slaughtered you too many times to be spanking you anymore so I'm gonna' let you get your rocks off on this one, ok?
Owen, everything you said is spot on.
Tony, you need to get out of here. Your skills should not be wasted with the proletariate (who will no doubt have to look the word up Smile )
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I'm a little bit confused. Why are there people in this forum slamming hypnosis entertainers and how easy it is? These same people are walking tall because they proclaim that they are high and mighty as hypnotherapists. If you feel so strongly go to the hypnotherapy forums. Im sure there is one out there some where. Why spew venom at entertaining hypnotists in a forum for just that?

I will conceed that the abreactions are real in your life. You believe them to be true in your reality. So it has to be true. As a stage hypnotist, they don't exist in my life. Therefore its my reality and just as true.

Also, I am still waiting for someone to give an detailed account of their personal encounter with an abreaction. I wonder why no one is doing this?
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I don't.

Bobser just keep seeing the UFO. It is interesting to see stupidity masquerading as arrogance.
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On 2012-04-05 01:39, bobser wrote:
Oh and your line about "hypnotherapy is easy" would thrill Milton Erikson I'm sure. What a cock!


How many abreactions did Milton Erickson report seeing?

Have you stopped worshiping Freud now?

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I can assure Bobser that I am not attacking Tony's country. I used to live there and have much affection for it. Furthermore I get on with Tony perfectly well. I am afraid the "divide and rule" tactic will not work. I have also lived in your country and can only say that with people like you I am not surprised your countrymen lost at the battle of Culloden and are still ruled by the English, a situation which Tony's countrymen managed to release themselves from 90 years ago.

Furthermore I have not insulted you. I would request that you do not insult me. I am easily offended and have a very thin skin.
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Attack and insult is all he has. Works better than having to learn. So how about putting up some of your work bobser? I don't recall you ever doing that and with your level of yapping I should imagine it it is great. Unless you are all mouth.
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From my own short experience of entertaining through hypnosis, I have yet to have an abreaction, however in the courses I have attended for stage, street, and hypnotherapy, this was discussed as part of health and safety, so as far as I know they exist and its only a matter of time before I experience one, however I believe I have the tools in my toolbox to deal with this. also I never do any routine that involves age regression, or any routine where someone eats or drinks something under the suggestion its something else so maybe I'm limiting my risks of this, but more experienced hypnotists will know more about this and we should always listen to those that have the experience and knowledge
I will continue to take courses and read books and update my knowledge, as I believe any hypnosis, whether stage or street, or therapy has a long way to go until it reaches it full potential, there is still a lot to be discovered and at some point in the future I will have to deal with a situation that is unexpected, but as long as I continue to learn and fill my toolbox I will always remain confident of dealing with this
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On 2012-04-05 11:20, bobser wrote:
I do believe they are totally incapable of understanding 'constructed' argument.


If you think we have not understood what you've written - apart from that you have witnessed abreactions and believe them to always be possible in hypnosis because of that - then please write it more clearly.

If you think abreactions are such a big deal in performance then I can't understand why you wouldn't be more interested in the thoughts of those that don't ever see them. They must be doing something different otherwise they would see them, wouldn't they? Why doesn't that interest you? Do you think that they're lying?

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If you look at the origin of the word you will see it only makes sense if you also give credit to the idea of repression. I am guessing catharsis is familiar and welcome terrain for you Bob? Maybe it is not repression, perhaps some hypnotists just upset their clients.

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I am not saying the term is wrong, I am saying the science it is based upon is discredited and hundreds of years old.
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In fairness Bob said abreactions were a feature of therapy. He said that they were a rarity on stage. We might not be that far apart.

Twice I have got bad reactions on the stage. The first time the guy was on drugs. The second guy was epileptic, and the drink he had before coming up reacted badly with his medication. But it would have been easy to misinterpret these as psychological reactions to the hypnosis.

I still stand by what I said: a skilled stage hypnotist does not have to worry about abreactions, because they will not occur on stage. In therapy you will get them if they are part of the therapeutic arsenal you draw upon. I do not have the background to handle them, or the interest to learn, so I do not do therapy.
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There are not many skilled hypnotists on here especially the ones that have bought products from here. Sometimes a person can have a bad reaction and the hypnotist doesn't even know. The reason why suggesting that someone has lost a body part like breasts, belly button or "willie" has been banned in the UK is because there was a case where someone had previously recovered from cancer where they had the cancer removed was traumatized by the experience. The hypnotist or the audience had no idea. yet for months after wards she was suffering from anxiety and depression.
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On 2012-04-07 17:06, bobser wrote:

HK please tell me when I said 'abreactions are such a big deal in performance'. I didn't it's not. Indeed should NEVER happen in performance. Sometime in talking to you I feel not so much like an educater but more of an effing missionary, which is yet another huge word you won't understand.


The original post that started the thread was about performance hypnosis and discussions of hypnotherapy are specifically banned from this forum. I assumed that your emotional outpourings were about the topic (performance) rather than specifically therapy. My bad I guess.

Starting afresh, why do you think abreactions should NEVER happen in performance? I don't mean why are they a bad idea, I mean what do you think performance hypnotists should be or are doing in order to NEVER see one in performance?

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On 2012-04-08 08:55, hypnokid wrote:

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Starting afresh, why do you think abreactions should NEVER happen in performance? I don't mean why are they a bad idea, I mean what do you think performance hypnotists should be or are doing in order to NEVER see one in performance?
HK


Fair enough HK.
They should never happen in performance because the skilled performer will steer away from areas of where they might happen. ie: taking someone to a younger age (say 4) and telling them: "Here comes daddy, climbing up the stairs with your favourite Teddy Bear to tuck you in."
That could very easily 'pop' a suppression (assuming they exist and I run with the belief that they do) which is then remembered and the subject reacts in an abnormal fashion (abreaction).
You now have a 40 year old woman on stage, screaming like a four year old child in the knowledge that the one person in the world who 'touches her in a bad way' is coming up the stairs.
Remember: 'this is the reality she is living in at the present moment'.

Now THIS is important... 'I'm' not saying or claiming this. Rather these persons REPORT this. THEY say it. Hence I quoted 'Occam's Razor' meaning it's most likely to be true.
Why anyone would argue or even WANT to argue with this amazes me. But I can only assume that it's because the 'arguer' has no experience of the phenomena. Which is almost fair enough except that it's not! At best I feel it's bad manners.

Now the doctor Danny quoted was/is absolutely totally and completely wrong. That's not a guess on my part but a fact. But if a person want to fight for an untruth they always get to win theirt argument!
I could 'easily' bring personal friends who are doctors/psychologists into this argument who KNOW all about abreactions but I simply refuse to use a heavy hammer to crack a peanut shell.

Even in CBT (cognitive behavioural therapy) which is 'outside' hypnosis and done totally in the conscious wakened state they experioence many abreactions. The only difference between THAT and HYPNO-ANALYSES is that in the latter the subject/patient gets to understand WHY they've abreacted. In CBT they abreact but will often smile immediately and say: "Oh my, I simply have no idea where that came from".

Right then HK. That's all good stuff I've given you. Feel free to use it freely in the knowledge you will NOT be talking garbage. OR... carry on. But remember, if you always believe what you've always believed, then unfortunately you'll always believe what you've always believed.

DO remember... I'm merely reporting that I've seen many abreactions in a clinical setting, however; I do NOT claim that I have EVER seen an abreaction on a hypnosis stage. BUT; I have been told by other 'stage' hypnotists that they have had them. I believe them. Why would I not? I listen to them all and make a judgement. My judgement is that these experts in their chosen profession are a) correct and b) telling the truth. And of course that the doctor is a cock. There y'go, saves time.

My next course is in July. Come along as my paying guest. SEE abreactions. Be trained in the skills of 'The Ballach' (that's me by the way).

MP, I'm not very happy with you!
I decide to become the bad boy of 'SLEEPY', doing very well thankyou very much. And then you come along and make me look like the good fairy from the toilet in the park. I thought you'd changed.
I thought you'd let go of all that stuff. Yet you seem angrier than ever. Have to hand it to you... well done.
You're back!!!!!!!!!
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On 2012-04-08 07:03, mindpunisher wrote:
Tony why on earth are epileptics getting on stage? Don't you mention the epilepsy is one of THE main things you don't want up on stage?

I have no idea why he came up - the warning was given very strongly. It is one of the few parts of the pre-induction I never skip. Yet I have seen pregnant women coming on stage (sometimes in stilettos!) right after the warning. No accounting for people.
Even more alarming was why he was drinking when his doctor clearly told him alcohol would react with his medication and trigger a grand mal seizure. It did. He ended up in hospital.
Interestingly on the same night a member of the band Westlife was on stage, and stripped bollock naked at the end of the evening. It was a wild night.
Good to see you back here, MP. The place is getting dull.
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Stage hypnosis would be a great job if it weren't for the public. I did a show and stated clearly I didn't want anyone with any physical injury up. And this girl gets up with a rubber arm saying she can't clasp her hands but would I still hypnotise her. Then another faked a heart attack on stage and it took three security guys to carry him off stage.
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On 2012-04-08 10:22, bobser wrote:
They should never happen in performance because the skilled performer will steer away from areas of where they might happen. ie: taking someone to a younger age (say 4)


Hi Bobser. I did read your whole post but I've got a question about this bit. Do you think that abreactions are caused by the specific types of suggestions and not randomly simply by being hypnotised?

HK
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