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Anand Khalsa Loyal user Phoenix, AZ 201 Posts |
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Anand Khalsa Loyal user Phoenix, AZ 201 Posts |
For what it's worth, Lunatik, you gave me a good chuckle.
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
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On Jun 28, 2015, Anand Khalsa wrote: CGI !!!!!
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
The Constitution gives you the right, lunatik,to believe whatever you want. But it doesn't give you the right to deny equality to anyone else.
The United States is NOT a theocracy. It is NOT a Christian nation, nor were are Founding Fathers all Christians. Deal with it. It's been a great week for equality, democracy and America! |
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
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On Jun 28, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: What's next, polygamy? Is there a legal leg to stand on to deny polygamy in light of the recent ruling?
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
LOL- You've got the right-wing talking points down perfectly! I'm surprised you haven't also asked "What about bestiality and pedophilia?" as many other fear mongers continue to do. I'm surprised you object to polygamy, though, considering that it was a common practice among many of the Biblical patriarchs.
Why do you have a problem with the simple American idea of equality for all, regardless of race, creed, or religion? |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On Jun 28, 2015, lunatik wrote: Because same sex marriage and polygamy are the exact same thing? Here is an article by a long-time pro-gay marriage activist explaining why they are not. In fact, he argues that gay marriage makes polygamy LESS likely. Why polygamous marriage has less of a legal leg to stand on now than it did before. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arch....../304829/ These are his words below, from another article he wrote today: "Predictably, the Court's decision led to another of countless rounds of forecasts that the marriage-rights movement will now expand to multiples ... Again, we'll see, but I'm willing to stand by what I've long said: the case for gay marriage is the case against polygamy, and the public will be smart enough to understand the difference. Gay marriage is about extending the opportunity to marry to people who lack it; polygamy, in practice, is about exactly the opposite: withdrawing marriage opportunity from people who now have it. Gay marriage succeeded because no one could identify any plausible channels through which it might damage heterosexual marriage; with polygamy, the worries are many, the history clear, and the channels well understood. I won't repeat the reasons; you can read some of them in this article by me (see link above) or [in the] new book by Stephen Macedo, among many other places. Predicting politics is hard, but I believe polygamy, if it even gets traction as a matter of public debate, will be decided as a policy question, not a civil - rights question - and the answer, correctly, will be no."
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
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On Jun 28, 2015, balducci wrote: So no legal standing and you personally would be against it?
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
The main problem with polygamy is simply this- men are capable of siring far more children than they could possibly support. Who pays the child support when the guy walks out on twelve wives, each of whom have three or more children?
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
What does it matter what I think, whether I am for or against it? I'm just saying gay marriage has nothing to do with polygamy.
Personally, I've never given polygamy much thought. I agree with whoever it was (I think it was Danny or Lobo) who said polygamous marriage would not be easy to implement because of reasons to do with contract law and taxation law and the like. Our current society easily accommodates gay marriage so there was never any practical reason to deny it.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
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On Jun 28, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: How is that any different than a man who has multiple kids with multiple women and isn't married to any of them? Have we placed legal restraints against them? No.
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
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On Jun 28, 2015, balducci wrote: Why not make those tax law adjustments to accommodate them? Sure it may be challenging but if it's depriving them, we should should make it law. So, Balducci, if they do get over those hurdles, would you be opposed? Same for you Bob, would you be opposed?
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
As I said, I never gave it much thought. So I am not about to jump to a decision this instant.
How about yourself. Do you support it? Oppose it? (I can guess what you think but I am not sure you ever came out and stated your opinion directly.) The point is, support for gay marriage has nothing to do with support for polygamy. See article by the pro-gay marriage activist above.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
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On Jun 28, 2015, balducci wrote: I personally think it ties into it. If consenting adults want to get married, who does it hurt? Do they have a right to love and marry those that they love? I think for those who support gay marriage to be consistent, at some point in time they will have to get behind those who want more than one husband/wife. And for the record, I do not support it.
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Anand Khalsa Loyal user Phoenix, AZ 201 Posts |
Lunatik, do you really think that the government should base their decisions on scripture?
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
Do you really think The government should be putting "in God we trust" on our money? It's so offensive to atheists.
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Anand Khalsa Loyal user Phoenix, AZ 201 Posts |
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On Jun 28, 2015, lunatik wrote: So you DO think the U.S should be a theocracy, lunatik? |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
The Elite all believe in Superman.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Anand Khalsa Loyal user Phoenix, AZ 201 Posts |
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On Jun 28, 2015, tommy wrote: Superman? I don't know, you might be right. Because they certainly seem to believe there is an all-powerful man in the sky. |
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
I do like "in God we trust" on our currency, it was a great idea. I do like our Presidents putting their hand on a Bible while taking office. How about you Anand?
Also Anand, do you think someone should be able to have more than one wife/husband?
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