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Mr. Mystoffelees
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Posted: Jun 30, 2015 01:31 am
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Quote: On Jun 28, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
The main problem with polygamy is simply this- men are capable of siring far more children than they could possibly support. Who pays the child support when the guy walks out on twelve wives, each of whom have three or more children? A pretty weak reason for polygamy to be illegal in this day. If anyone can now marry anyone, why restrict it to one on one. Of course, a solution would be to restrict polygamy to the rich 1%, or in the alternative only to men over the age of 65, as they would be unlikely to keep up the pace, so to speak. Yeah, I like that...
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Magnus Eisengrim
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Posted: Jun 30, 2015 02:33 am
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Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote:
Quote: On Jun 28, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
The main problem with polygamy is simply this- men are capable of siring far more children than they could possibly support. Who pays the child support when the guy walks out on twelve wives, each of whom have three or more children?
A pretty weak reason for polygamy to be illegal in this day. If anyone can now marry anyone, why restrict it to one on one. Of course, a solution would be to restrict polygamy to the rich 1%, or in the alternative only to men over the age of 65, as they would be unlikely to keep up the pace, so to speak. Yeah, I like that... I suspect that polygamy will be legal, perhaps even in our lifetimes. The law will require some serious thought to straighten out property rights, not to mention child custody.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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mastermindreader
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Posted: Jun 30, 2015 02:45 am
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Absolutely, property rights and custody will be major issues. In my earlier post I was simply pointing out another reason why polygamy isn't a very good idea financially.
But I agree that constitutionally there really wouldn't be a problem with it.
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lunatik
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Posted: Jun 30, 2015 02:51 am
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Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, Darth_Prime wrote:
People can talk about the Bible all they want, you can't make laws based on religion because not everyone believes the same. your religion is your choice and your right, but it can't infringe upon other peoples rights or Protections.
this Marriage Equality is one step forward, but we have many left, the workplace discrimination act needs to be passed, I can get fired just for being gay, also in some states I can get denied services. also important Adoption, blood donation.. equal protections are a Must I do not believe that being gay should be a reason to be fired, that's just plain ridiculous. Do people think that gays have no talent, no brains and are not productive? If the best person to hire for a needed position was gay, I would hope they sign the offer letter.
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lunatik
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Posted: Jun 30, 2015 02:52 am
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Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
Good point! THAT has to be one of the funniest but true statements I've heard all year!
"Don't let your Dreams become Fantasies"
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EsnRedshirt
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Posted: Jun 30, 2015 03:28 am
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Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, lunatik wrote:
Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, Darth_Prime wrote:
People can talk about the Bible all they want, you can't make laws based on religion because not everyone believes the same. your religion is your choice and your right, but it can't infringe upon other peoples rights or Protections.
this Marriage Equality is one step forward, but we have many left, the workplace discrimination act needs to be passed, I can get fired just for being gay, also in some states I can get denied services. also important Adoption, blood donation.. equal protections are a Must
I do not believe that being gay should be a reason to be fired, that's just plain ridiculous. Do people think that gays have no talent, no brains and are not productive? If the best person to hire for a needed position was gay, I would hope they sign the offer letter. Ridiculous, yes, but true. There are still a few states that don't include sexual orientation in their discrimination laws, so a person who's gay can be fired for that, with no legal recourse.
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Darth_Prime
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Posted: Jun 30, 2015 03:47 am
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Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, lunatik wrote:
Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, Darth_Prime wrote:
People can talk about the Bible all they want, you can't make laws based on religion because not everyone believes the same. your religion is your choice and your right, but it can't infringe upon other peoples rights or Protections.
this Marriage Equality is one step forward, but we have many left, the workplace discrimination act needs to be passed, I can get fired just for being gay, also in some states I can get denied services. also important Adoption, blood donation.. equal protections are a Must
I do not believe that being gay should be a reason to be fired, that's just plain ridiculous. Do people think that gays have no talent, no brains and are not productive? If the best person to hire for a needed position was gay, I would hope they sign the offer letter. There are states that allow discrimination, where yes I could get fired just for being Gay, and I can get denied services just for being Gay, on top of the other issues, adoption, blood donation, property.. and the list continues.. yes the GLBTQ community is still getting discriminated against, on top of the huge statistics of GLBTQ deaths at the hands of people
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Destiny
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Posted: Jun 30, 2015 05:19 am
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Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, Darth_Prime wrote:
Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, lunatik wrote:
Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, Darth_Prime wrote:
People can talk about the Bible all they want, you can't make laws based on religion because not everyone believes the same. your religion is your choice and your right, but it can't infringe upon other peoples rights or Protections.
this Marriage Equality is one step forward, but we have many left, the workplace discrimination act needs to be passed, I can get fired just for being gay, also in some states I can get denied services. also important Adoption, blood donation.. equal protections are a Must
I do not believe that being gay should be a reason to be fired, that's just plain ridiculous. Do people think that gays have no talent, no brains and are not productive? If the best person to hire for a needed position was gay, I would hope they sign the offer letter.
There are states that allow discrimination, where yes I could get fired just for being Gay, and I can get denied services just for being Gay, on top of the other issues, adoption, blood donation, property.. and the list continues.. yes the GLBTQ community is still getting discriminated against, on top of the huge statistics of GLBTQ deaths at the hands of people I agree with everything except the uncomfortable topic of blood donation, maybe because of being old enough to have been round for the start of AIDS.
People who were sick or injured died because of infected donated blood.
Of course the donors had no idea their blood was a problem - we forget now what a huge and frightening mystery HIV AIDS was in those early years - it took a couple of years before we even knew it was primarily contracted through unprotected anal intercourse.
In western countries AIDS mainly affected gay men and drug users so those groups were banned from donating blood NOT to discriminate against them, but to protect the sick and injured people who received the blood. The ban wasn't AGAINST anyone - it was FOR the vulnerable. I think that intent makes a huge difference and the context is important.
And don't forget they never banned gay men or drug users from receiving the blood - the blood went to whoever needed it, regardless of sexual orientation.
I haven't taken much interest in this over the years so I don't know if perhaps with medical advances it is now safer to have the most at risk groups of HIV now donate blood, but I do know the original intent had nothing to do with discrimination.
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Darth_Prime
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Posted: Jun 30, 2015 06:49 am
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Quote: On Jun 30, 2015, Destiny wrote:
Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, Darth_Prime wrote:
Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, lunatik wrote:
Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, Darth_Prime wrote:
People can talk about the Bible all they want, you can't make laws based on religion because not everyone believes the same. your religion is your choice and your right, but it can't infringe upon other peoples rights or Protections.
this Marriage Equality is one step forward, but we have many left, the workplace discrimination act needs to be passed, I can get fired just for being gay, also in some states I can get denied services. also important Adoption, blood donation.. equal protections are a Must
I do not believe that being gay should be a reason to be fired, that's just plain ridiculous. Do people think that gays have no talent, no brains and are not productive? If the best person to hire for a needed position was gay, I would hope they sign the offer letter.
There are states that allow discrimination, where yes I could get fired just for being Gay, and I can get denied services just for being Gay, on top of the other issues, adoption, blood donation, property.. and the list continues.. yes the GLBTQ community is still getting discriminated against, on top of the huge statistics of GLBTQ deaths at the hands of people
I agree with everything except the uncomfortable topic of blood donation, maybe because of being old enough to have been round for the start of AIDS.
People who were sick or injured died because of infected donated blood.
Of course the donors had no idea their blood was a problem - we forget now what a huge and frightening mystery HIV AIDS was in those early years - it took a couple of years before we even knew it was primarily contracted through unprotected anal intercourse.
In western countries AIDS mainly affected gay men and drug users so those groups were banned from donating blood NOT to discriminate against them, but to protect the sick and injured people who received the blood. The ban wasn't AGAINST anyone - it was FOR the vulnerable. I think that intent makes a huge difference and the context is important.
And don't forget they never banned gay men or drug users from receiving the blood - the blood went to whoever needed it, regardless of sexual orientation.
I haven't taken much interest in this over the years so I don't know if perhaps with medical advances it is now safer to have the most at risk groups of HIV now donate blood, but I do know the original intent had nothing to do with discrimination. Do they let Straight people with AIDS give blood? no you have to get tested first, not all Gay people have AIDS, now they are saying Gay men can give blood if they are celibate for at least a year.. so it's not really about AIDS
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mastermindreader
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Posted: Jun 30, 2015 07:01 am
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Not anymore it isn't, Darth. But back in the days Destiny is talking about it was definitely about AIDS.
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imgic
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Posted: Jun 30, 2015 03:54 pm
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As a long time blood donor and volunteer at blood drives I remember when AIDS came onto the scene. It wasn't only gays, but anyone at risk: sex workers, drugs users who used needles, and thise who travelled to high risk areas such as certain regions of Africa. What was scarier was that people who thought they might have AIDS were donating blood as a way if getting tested. For awhile there were all sorts of protocols on place trying to keep AIDS out of the bills supply; regardless of the source.
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Randwill
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Posted: Jun 30, 2015 07:40 pm
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This article, ("Captive virgins, polygamy and sex slaves: What marriage would look like if we actually followed the Bible") on how human sexual behavior and marriage is depicted in the Christian Bible may provide some food for thought and fodder for discussion: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/captive-......e-bible/
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The Hermit
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Posted: Jun 30, 2015 09:27 pm
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Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, Darth_Prime wrote:
Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, lunatik wrote:
Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, Darth_Prime wrote:
People can talk about the Bible all they want, you can't make laws based on religion because not everyone believes the same. your religion is your choice and your right, but it can't infringe upon other peoples rights or Protections.
this Marriage Equality is one step forward, but we have many left, the workplace discrimination act needs to be passed, I can get fired just for being gay, also in some states I can get denied services. also important Adoption, blood donation.. equal protections are a Must
I do not believe that being gay should be a reason to be fired, that's just plain ridiculous. Do people think that gays have no talent, no brains and are not productive? If the best person to hire for a needed position was gay, I would hope they sign the offer letter.
There are states that allow discrimination, where yes I could get fired just for being Gay, and I can get denied services just for being Gay, on top of the other issues, adoption, blood donation, property.. and the list continues.. yes the GLBTQ community is still getting discriminated against, on top of the huge statistics of GLBTQ deaths at the hands of people Please name the state where you can be fired for being gay. Same for denied services. Also please quote those HUGE statistics.
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Randwill
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Posted: Jun 30, 2015 09:59 pm
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Is there any state where a private business CAN'T fire you or refuse service to you for being gay?
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balducci
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Posted: Jun 30, 2015 10:25 pm
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Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Starrpower
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Posted: Jun 30, 2015 10:53 pm
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Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, Destiny wrote:a government employee is paid to provide the same service to everyone and he or she is paid by everyone.
If they are going to accept that job, employed by every citizen, and paid by every tax payer it is a nonsense to suggest they have a religious exemption against providing services - I don't think individual government employees can make that decision, but we CAN have laws that restrict things. For example, we can force someone who believes in faith healing, or some bizarre ritualistic medical procedure, to care for their child in a way we deem to be appropriate. If someone's religion says that a child should experience "rebirthing" and they wrap a child in a blanket and smother them while beating them, we might step in, even though that is a religious choice and belief.
The so-called separation of church and state was a personal opinion of Jefferson and not U.S. government policy, although we now treat it as such.
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Starrpower
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Posted: Jun 30, 2015 10:56 pm
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Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, lunatik wrote:
I can get fired just for being gay I don't believe that's true. Just because something is not explicitly stated does not necessarily mean it is legal. Are you making an assumption, or is this routinely happening? How many cases of this happening in recent years can you cite?
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S2000magician
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Posted: Jul 1, 2015 12:32 am
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Quote: On Jun 30, 2015, Starrpower wrote:
Quote: On Jun 29, 2015, lunatik wrote:
I can get fired just for being gay
I don't believe that's true. And I don't believe that lunatic wrote it; I believe that you misattributed that quote.
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landmark
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lunatik
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Posted: Jul 1, 2015 12:48 pm
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Quote: On Jun 28, 2015, lunatik wrote:
Quote: On Jun 28, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
Quote: On Jun 28, 2015, lunatik wrote:
I do like "in God we trust" on our currency, it was a great idea. I do like our Presidents putting their hand on a Bible while taking office.
Do you know that newly sworn in Congressmen used to be given a copy of the Jefferson Bible?
What do you think about that, lunatik? (Look up "Jefferson Bible" if you don't understand what it is.)
What do you think of John Adams official statement as President that the United States is NOT, and has never been, a Christian nation? (Look up The Treaty of Tripoli if you want to see his exact words.)
What do you think about the fact that many of our founders were Freemasons and Deists, including George Washington who never rose for prayer in church and who would always leave before communion? (Turns out Martha was the religious one in the family.)
What do you think of Thomas Jefferson's proclamation that there should be an "absolute wall" between church and state?
And, finally, what do you think of the fact that freedom of religion also includes freedom FROM it?
What do you think about the founding fathers that were of the Christian faith?
What do you think of the rest of the presidents using a Holy Bible?
What do you think of our founding fathers not taking up, defending, purporting, championing gay marriage? I bet they were of VERY similar opinion to mine.
Soooo, would you be for or against polygamy? Which position will you champion?
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