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In other news, the DOJ get's a D- on their homework assignment.

http://abovethelaw.com/2012/04/attorney-......ignment/
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At least they're on board with Marbury v. Madison, if Holder's read it...when Arizona's SB 1070 game out, he was publicly commenting on its constitutionality without having read it.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2012-04-06 03:43, LobowolfXXX wrote:
At least they're on board with Marbury v. Madison, if Holder's read it...when Arizona's SB 1070 game out, he was publicly commenting on its constitutionality without having read it.


Unusually snarky for you Lobo. Of course he's read Marbury.

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Some people just bring out the tapir in me.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Hi Bob,

The fact that Europeans, living in the legal and political traditions that gave us communism, fascism, and National Socialism, don't grok the way the United States Constitution was designed to work is to me just one more piece of evidence that the Founders got it right.

And as for the President's comment about the Obamacare law being passed by a significant majority, Charles Krauthammer points out:

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With Obamacare remaking one-sixth of the economy, it would be unusual for the Supreme Court to overturn legislation so broad and sweeping. On the other hand, it is far more unusual to pass such a fundamentally transformative law on such a narrow, partisan basis.

Obamacare passed the Congress without a single vote from the opposition party – in contradistinction to Social Security, the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, Medicare, and Medicaid, similarly grand legislation, all of which enjoyed substantial bipartisan support. In the Senate, moreover, Obamacare squeaked by through a parliamentary maneuver called reconciliation that was never intended for anything so sweeping. The fundamental deviation from custom and practice is not the legal challenge to Obamacare but the very manner of its enactment.

The president’s pre-emptive attack on the Court was in direct reaction to Obamacare’s three days of oral argument. It was a shock. After years of contemptuously dismissing the very idea of a legal challenge, Democrats suddenly realized that there actually is a serious constitutional argument to be made against Obamacare — and they are losing it.


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On 2012-04-06 01:51, rockwall wrote:
In other news, the DOJ get's a D- on their homework assignment.

http://abovethelaw.com/2012/04/attorney-......ignment/

About that ... transcript excerpt below from this link:

http://abovethelaw.com/2012/04/benchslap......-letter/

"Judge Smith: I would like to have from you by noon on Thursday… a letter stating what is the position of the attorney general and the Department of Justice, in regard to the recent statements by the president, stating specifically and in detail in reference to those statements what the authority is of the federal courts in this regard in terms of judicial review. That letter needs to be at least three pages single spaced, no less, and it needs to be specific. It needs to make specific reference to the president’s statements and again to the position of the attorney general and the Department of Justice."

Is it just me, or wasn't the "three pages single spaced, no less" part of the demand sort of childish?
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Yes, it was childish. No more so, however than Obama's childish attempt at bullying those wonderful Supremes. I think it's just that some people bring out the tapir in Judge Smith.
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I don't think Obama was bullying, just defending his position. However that defense was shockingly and obviously false as there have been so many precedents where the Court has overturned legislative law on both the conservative and liberal sides. Frankly, I was gobsmacked when I saw him speak.
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He was a bully. He is smart enough to know what he was saying jut to be untrue. The man is not an idiot.


I just don't think they ever considered that this could go against them. I don't know if it will or won't, but it seems to be the first time they have let occur to them.
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Is it just a coincidence that "bullying" is the talking point word of the day at FOX?

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/0......ully.php
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You can't bully Supreme Court justices. They can't be fired and they don't have term limits. None of them cares what the president thinks about the law. Nothing more nor less than politics.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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But they can be impeached.
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In 1805, Samuel Chase, accused by Jefferson of allowing partisanship to influence his decisions, became the only Supreme Court Justice to be impeached. He was acquitted.
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None of them feels the slightest bit of pressure from the White House. They were on the job before Obama got there, and barring health issues, they'll be there after he leaves.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2012-04-06 20:52, LobowolfXXX wrote:
None of them feels the slightest bit of pressure from the White House. They were on the job before Obama got there, and barring health issues, they'll be there after he leaves.


I'd be willing to take a side bet on this and wager that at least one of them will NOT be there by the time Obama leaves office.

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In 1805, Samuel Chase, accused by Jefferson of allowing partisanship to influence his decisions, became the only Supreme Court Justice to be impeached. He was acquitted.


I'm just saying it's possible, not that it's likely Smile
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Is it just a coincidence that "bullying" is the talking point word of the day at FOX?

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/0......ully.php


I hope I am not being called a Fox News parrot Bob.

I have to say I am SICK of the hypocricy of this government of late. We all need to be nice to each other, unless it is those on our side being mean then it is ok. He certainly tried to sway them can I use that word and be ok?

He was WAY out of line.

And it still shocks me how shocked they are that there is another side to the story. I seriously do not think they prepared themselves for what could happen. I am not saying it WILL be overturned, but it seems as if they were not prepared as they might have been and seem caught flat footed.

It is also not the first time he has chastised SCOTUS. So "bully" does sort of fit now doesn't it?
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None of them feels the slightest bit of pressure from the White House. They were on the job before Obama got there, and barring health issues, they'll be there after he leaves.


I think the one who should have recused herself feels huge preasure from the White House.
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I think the one who should have recused herself ...

Clarence Thomas is a "he". Smile
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Danny-

Clarence Thomas (whose wife has actively and publicly campaigned against the ACA) is a HE not a SHE. The fact that he hasn't recused himself is ridiculous and, if the same rules applied to Supreme Court Justices as to the rest of the federal judiciary, he would have been REQUIRED to do so to avoid not only the appearance of impropriety, but the very real possibility of it.

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