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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
I knew I should have gone Canadian!
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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That's a good point, and as a fifth-year attorney myself, I'll share its importance with any prospective members of the apparatus whom I happen to come across. I know you've been an attorney for a long time and have high regard for your skills! I was only speaking of your mention that you were angling for an assistant DA job recently. Sorry if that meaning didn't come across. I should have been specific about meaning "as a prospective prosecutor."
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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Now, I've tried to address your point as fully as possible, so let me ask you one... if this "jury of his peers" buys the self-defense argument - that is to say, acquits him on the grounds that he was defending himself against Muslim immigration - are you going to say that justice was done, or that the jury screwed up? The jury is not an infallible instrument of justice. It's the best hope for justice, but juries screw up. Are you really waiting for them to give you their opinion before you have one of your own? Opinions are just that: opinions. Of course I have an opinion. And if the jury acquits him, assuming they have the same info most of us do, then sure I'll say they screwed up. But I think you articulated it well when you said the "The jury is not an infallible instrument of justice. It's the best hope for justice..." I would not want it otherwise.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-04-18 05:10, landmark wrote: I think we're largely in agreement; my post to which you responded was obviously (in retrospect) somewhat ambiguous. I definitely didn't intend to include any officers of the court. They have a whole extra set of constraints to contend with.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Not in Cuba
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ursusminor Elite user Norway 443 Posts |
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On 2012-04-16 06:52, Woland wrote: We never "tolerated" violent crime, even in pagan times. Murderers had to pay "Blood-money" to the victims family, or he would be "Outlawed", meaning anyone could kill him without being punished. After we "Got Religion" (around 1050ad.) we got formalized capital punishment. This lasted to 1876, when the last norwegian was beheaded (With a handheld axe...) Then after WWII and occupation, about 35 people were executed by firing squad. (ca. 10 of them were german.) Containment HAS been used more recently than 10 years ago. This guy, if he's found mentally sound, will almost certainly get the max: 21 years containment. and I feel certain he'll be an old man IF he ever gets out. Bjørn
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Thank you, Bjørn, for the kind and thoughtful clarification.
I would still say that, in comparison to many other societies, the Scandinavians were and are if not "tolerant," then more "lenient." I think that most other jurisdictions would regard 21 years confinement as lenient. Now truth to tell, in many States of the USA, many criminals spend what most people would think are rather short terms behind bars for heinous crimes. And in the Soviet Union, took, common criminals became the "elite" prisoners of the Gulag system. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I doubt he will ever get out. They will nut him off before his 21 is up.
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ursusminor Elite user Norway 443 Posts |
If they let him "mingle" with the ordinary prison population, I doubt he will last very long...
Bjørn
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them
pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened." - Winston Churchill" |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2012-04-19 05:42, ursusminor wrote: I apologize then, the last case I heard about was in 2001 or 2002. Thanks for the info.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I believe that Norway can "contain" prisoners far beyond the 21 year maximum sentence.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
He's got a lot of time to start acting like a good boy and convince them it won't happen again.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2012-04-19 13:22, mastermindreader wrote: Yup. They just have to be reviewed every five years. It's like when someone is involuntarily committed to a mental hospital here. So many people think it's a light sentence, but it really isn't. IIRC (and I'm certain that I do), the vast majority of offenders committed to a mental hospital end up doing more time than if they'd just served their regular sentence and had to be let go. The Asylums can keep somebody as long as they have to, as long as they do the reviews on schedule to make certain it's justified. (I know, I said I wasn't going to talk about the mental hospitals. Oops.)
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-04-19 13:28, critter wrote: I believe Charles Manson comes up for parole every 5 or 7 years. He's never gotten it and never will. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Does he care?
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
Manson? I don't even think he knows it's happening...
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2012-04-19 14:18, mastermindreader wrote: The big difference though (and this is for the benefit of the casual reader, since I'm sure you already know) is that if Manson had been given 20 years in prison he'd be out by now, even if he went and punched another inmate every day. And that does happen with "lesser" prisoners.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2012-04-19 14:18, mastermindreader wrote: His parole consideration was in the news earlier this month. Apparently 15 years until his next. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr......d-parole "Mass murderer Charles Manson was denied parole in his 12th and probably final bid for freedom. Manson, now a grey-bearded 77-year-old, did not attend the California hearing where the parole board ruled he had shown no efforts to rehabilitate himself. He is not eligible for parole for another 15 years."
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
My favorite Manson parole was when he said he should be released because he had a list of celebs he needed to take care of.
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