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M.Frymus Loyal user Oakville, Ontario, Canada! 293 Posts |
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On 2012-05-11 16:00, Blair Marshall wrote: FYI: The swords that are in my design are NOT going to be those I am using. They were already pre-made, and they were the best I could find, so I just used them.
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M.Frymus Loyal user Oakville, Ontario, Canada! 293 Posts |
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On 2012-05-11 14:07, Magic Researcher wrote: 3" May be to much after thinking about it. So, I am considering 2" ones. I just ordered the plans, but haven't gotten them yet. So I should be using? 1 1/2" instead?
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Magic Researcher Elite user 406 Posts |
OK, I looked it up. The original calls for 1 1/2" wide straps. Before wasting time on beautiful digital drawings, try studying the original specs and go from there. There is no need to reinvent the illusion.
MR
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
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On 2012-05-11 11:23, M.Frymus wrote: What, refuse to go to Tandy because you believe it is to far. Really! Then call them and talk to the leather expert in the shop. Yes, a Shoe repair, with a knowledgable cobbler, will have everything or be able to get everything for you. Do you think the only thing a Shoe Cobbler does is repair shoes. They fix leather luggage, purses, sew, patch, and make from leather, leather goods. Do you think I would suggest this if it was not true. Yes, Tandy deals in all kinds of leather, raw, thick, thin, grain, smooth, you name it. Buckles are available everywhere, as hardware stores, Tandy Leather , JoAnn Fabric Stores, Craft Stores and Shoe repair store. Maybe you think or thought an Illusion Builder would come on the Café and tell you everything you need and where to get it. I can tell you that is not going to happen. We can only make knowledgable suggestions, then you have to work out the rest on your own. |
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john wills Special user 939 Posts |
Yes Hegbli,
I have sent e few p.m.'s with the same message. I told him to go to a saddler or shoe repair in the neighborhood. But it looks like that even driving an hour or so is a little to much. I have even gone so far as to give him the basic dimensions of the prop AND adviced him to buy the book "Wakeling" of Jim Steinmeyer. I know what I'am talking , because I guided to built one in wood (original) and a variation in metal (see you tube: Marcel Kalisvaart). |
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M.Frymus Loyal user Oakville, Ontario, Canada! 293 Posts |
I don't mean I won't go there at all because its too far.
Its 30-45min away. Not really bad. I am just searching other more local places before I commit and go there. And its best if I go in that direction for other reasons to save on time.. I need to check local areas and compare prices. That way I don't need to make more trips. And I know the shoe repair places do all sorts of stuff, but I never thought they would have a wide variety of materials with them. They are small shops, so it they wouldn't possibly have everything out there. Its good to know they can do it, and another to see the material in person and work from there.. But I AM looking around non-stop!
MICHAEL FRYMUS
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
John Wills, I have nothing more to say to M.Frymus. He is just lazy and will not do anything for himself. He has no intention of actually building anything, I believe he is only a dreamer and wishful thinker. He has no drive or passion to do so.
I have read his other posts in the Illusion section and they are all the same. He might - maybe - kinda, but 1st. When members gives him their advice, he has he gull to question the information. You notice we have done more work on this project then he has. Now he wants a Shoe Cobbler to have warehouse stocked just for him to look at. |
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Magic Researcher Elite user 406 Posts |
If you had been paying attention to those who have been there and done that, you could have had the leatherwork correctly done by now. It is very difficult to help someone who does not want to listen. I am finished with your project. You may go back to playing illusion builder with your drawing program. We have tried to help and only heard excuses and seen you go get a make do restraint rather than having a correct one custom made. Good luck, guy. You will need it.
MR
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john wills Special user 939 Posts |
Dear Hegbli and Magic Researcher,
Both your messages are CLEAR, thanks for that. On google I found a shop in his hometown called Heads over Heels, where they repair horse bridles and tack. But I guess they don't stock leather etc. (ha ha) |
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M.Frymus Loyal user Oakville, Ontario, Canada! 293 Posts |
Let me make some things clear.
In no way am I ignoring any of your advice or suggestions. I am not only working on building this illusion, but a few other illusions too. And I am not only building new illusions, I am making a new show all together. So, I am keeping myself busy by working everything out. I want to work out the whole show before I begin to build anything. I need to see if I will be turning the illusion into a theme or not. I want to know what I will be saying and/or doing. I don't just want to build it and then figure it all out. I need to know everything in as much deyail before I build or buy anything. I want to be prepared and not thing of something after I am 50% finished that I want to change this or that, and it will cost me more money to change. I want to be prepared before spending a lot of money. Secondly, I am asking for help. In no way am I asking you guys do fo it for me. I am asking serious questions. I asked about the Shoe repair place because I wanted to see the leather first. I never went there before so, I have no idea what they have and don't have. So, Sorry for not knowing! That's why I am asking. No need to be all rude and start saying things about me because I didn't know. That's a bit low. 'Magicians helping magicians' not 'magicians making fun of magicians because they don't know'. The main thing is: I DON'T have the illusion plans yet. I just ordered them late last week and have not received them yet. I have not bought any restraints yet because I need to see the plans on how to have them build before I go and get things, and find out that I spent a whole whack load of money and I can't use it. So, I am not going to a leather repair store to have them build anything for me yet. I don't have the restraints, so I can't get it made yet. THAT is why I haven't gone there yet, and there is no point oin me going there now. When I get the plans, and the restraints, THEN I will go for sure. But now, there's no point as I don't even know what I need to ask, what to buy, what size, etc. I said I will go when I am in the area because I don't need to go there yet. If I am in the area, I will take a look at what they have, but I won't be getting anything made for me yet. Not without the restraints yet. Same goes to the shoe repair places. I don't want to get anything done yet. I want to see what leather work they have, and how its made. Makes sense why I am not driving out an hour away now? They are not excuses for not going there. They are legit reasons. You said that you guys have done more work than I have. False. Alsthough I have not bought anything, or gotten anyone to make me anything yet, I have done a lot. I have been busy with other illusions, and making my show in general, and busy with other non-magic related things, so I couldn't just do this 24/7. I have gone to many stores when I was free. I went to see what is in stock, and what I need to get custom made. I am still fixing up on the 3D model, and searching around for other props such as the blades, wood, and the swords. I've been busy looking around for things. So, yes, I've been doing work. Not just sitting around on the Café hoping someone would tell me everything. I started off by saying in my post that I MAY be building this or any other illusion. But, now I know for certain that I will be building this one. Same for the subtrunk and the airborne box. I have ordered the plans, just waiting for them. I haven't even been in my hometown for the past week. So, I haven't checked any place here. I've been away, but even then, I've been running around and stopping at places along the way to see if they may have anything. The leather straps that go around the boxes, I thought they'd be around 3" wide for guessing. But realized it was too much, so maybe 2" was more like it. I don't have the plans nor do I know the dimensions, so I am NOT trying to reinvent or change anything. They have just been estimates. I was wrong, and I know that now since you guys said it. But that's not my fault that I was taking a guess and I didn't know the exact measurements. I assumed it was bigger. Its not just the fancy look that I'm going for and spending money. I need to save as much as possible. So, I'm being careful as to what I buy. I'm not ranting at anyone, but you guys just don't understand my situation on this, and making it seem like I am the bad guy. I'm not making excuses for not doing this or that, or not going there. I am not only working on this illusion, but others too. And not only just building the illusions, but a routine out of them and the whole general show. I need to know what I want and what I am doing before I can properly check. Thus, I need the plans. When they arrive, I will be looking more as I will know what I need and need to do. For those who have helped, Thank You. And thanks for understanding... if you finally understand.
MICHAEL FRYMUS
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charliecheckers Inner circle 1969 Posts |
Mike - sometimes people do not know when they over stay their welcome. Just because the Café is set up for magicians to help magicians, does not mean that people should expect or even hope that they will be spoon fed every detail of every project. Especially when the original poster demonstrates little or no initiative. When everyone is coming to the same conclusion about your postings, perhaps it is time to change your strategy rather than try to explain it. Franky, I was suprised how much advice you received for free. Very specific and detailed advice that may have taken years other wise. Instead of being satisfied for the time being, you persisted to push even further (of course all before you even received your plans).
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M.Frymus Loyal user Oakville, Ontario, Canada! 293 Posts |
I received the plans for the Sawing today.
Its not as detailed as I was hoping for. A lot of detailed dimensions are missing. So, some guessing will be required. I've got a few questions: Gimmick: I had restraints already ordered. I should be getting them later next week or the following week. There isn't a heck of a lot of detail on the gimmick required. It just states the basic idea of what it is and how it should work. But what strength is required, is there a specific name to it, and where can I get one? Ankle Restraints: There is a piece of leather that attaches the two ankle restraints together. This is sewn into the ankle restraints, giving it a permanent bond. But, is there a way to make this happen without changing any method, but just not making the ankle restraints permanent to each other? I have another illusion I want to do, but the ankle restraints need to be detached. How can this be done? Doors: There isn't much detail for the door hinges. Seeing every wakeling sawing, the hinges are hidden. But, it doesn't seem to be on this one. Is there any more detail about the hinges, or is it nothing special? Castors: I found 2" Dia rubber castors that support 125lbs each. Is that enough?
MICHAEL FRYMUS
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M.Frymus Loyal user Oakville, Ontario, Canada! 293 Posts |
Another thing about the gimmick. I don't see any reference to it saying how it is attached.
*I did find the gimmick online, but Im just wondering if there is anything specific I need to know about it. Or can it just be any kind? And there are different sizes to it.
MICHAEL FRYMUS
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AGMagic Special user Cailf. 775 Posts |
Michael,
Not comming down on you, just making a point. Most people want to build their own illusions because it is cheaper. You are beginning to understand the cost/value of the time spent on research and experimentation. Most magic plans are not as detailed as you would like. They are often the shop drawings that are more reminders to the builders than a road map of every detail. The best advice I can give you is to mock the illusion up using cardboard or cheap wood (if there is such a thing anymore) to determine the missing dimensions and details. Look at woodworking stores like Rockler, Woodcraft, Highland Woodworking of Lee Valley for hinges. If this is your first illusion, plan on building it at least twice before you get it right. I understand the desire to use your restraints in multiple illusions but I would advise against it. Murphy's Law dictates that they will always be with the wrong illusion. Also by building the illusions yourself you are saving lots of money (maybe). Take some of your savings and spend a few extra bucks on another set of restraints.
Tim Silver - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Magic-Woodshop/122578214436546
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M.Frymus Loyal user Oakville, Ontario, Canada! 293 Posts |
I was just out and researching ways to make it work. I did find a way to get it done actually. It I just need to get a thing custom made, and I should be fine with it being detachable, for an additional $10-15 or so. So, I actually just found a way to do it. took me a good whole day to figure it out. But it'll be worth it.
Yeah, unfortunately not as detailed, but not bad. Would be helpful to know more details, especially the gimmick. I found some, but I'm not sure if its best to get 2 of them so its stronger, and ways of mounting it.
MICHAEL FRYMUS
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Jim Sparx Inner circle Far Out, Texas 1144 Posts |
I'm building a backporch and I can't believe the price of lumber these days. On the other hand, I went to Wakelings site and he has a Deceptive Steps for sale in the used department for $1200 plus dollars. The same steps are for sale at Fab Magic in the Estate sales for $399. Have you looked around for a already built sawing, rather than buying it yourself? I googled it and a cupola places came up though one of them has a bad rep. I recently saw one at an auction site (which I'm not allowed to mention) for a thousand bucks. There must be cheaper ones out there. Good luck. If you want me to look around let me know.
I PMd the auction site
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M.Frymus Loyal user Oakville, Ontario, Canada! 293 Posts |
I have looked. The nicer ones are really expensive, and the cheaper ones like the one you PM'd me are total trash.
I have already slowly started on the building process.
MICHAEL FRYMUS
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john wills Special user 939 Posts |
Michael,
PLEASE read careful under >the workshop< the topic: The cost of education. I advised you a copy of the BOOK, but you had to save 10 bucks..... You started to state: " ....but having someone who has experience building things....." Now you have to research HINGES to help this builder ? Sorry, but I'm flabbergasted and I know I'm no the only one !!!! |
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Magic Researcher Elite user 406 Posts |
John,
Yep, I gave up on this builder - cheap and too lazy to do his own footwork. MR
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M.Frymus Loyal user Oakville, Ontario, Canada! 293 Posts |
AGAIN going on with this? Geez!
MICHAEL FRYMUS
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