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jugglestruck Inner circle Wales 1038 Posts |
This is out in a couple of weeks and presently on pre-order by World Magic Shop.
It looks like a very effective, usable stack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WitGE9YD6w0 |
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
While I would most likely never use it ( too lazy, not smart enough, etc. ), it looks like a great project. I'd probably get it just to see how clever it is.
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doriancaudal Inner circle 1532 Posts |
Not very impressed by this one. I think you can obviously do the same, and even more, if you have read "The Berglas effects" by Richard Kaufman. But I am still looking forward to the first reviews.
Hands-off ACAAN - freely chosen card and number : http://doriancaudal.wix.com/miracaan
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Xpilot Elite user Florida 464 Posts |
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On 2012-05-03 10:30, doriancaudal wrote: If the 'Berglas effect' was the only thing involved I might agree with you. But having used a MD for many years I'm always interested in further possibilities using it. Also, I saw on this weeks product review that it was available for pre-order at World Magic Shop so I tried to find it by going to their web site and doing a search for "Recall". Nothing came up so I'm not sure how you would find out what the price is going to be or how to actually pre-order it. |
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drphil Elite user 444 Posts |
I hope this is as good as it looks. I would think this might presude other magicians to see the advantages in learning a mem. Deck. I've used the aronson for years but this might be better with more built in effects. This has my interest and am curious to what others think that don't use a mem. Deck. Because the real secret is it's not that hard to learn one. Once learned a simple glimps becomes a deadly wepon. And card jazzing takes on a new meaning.
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drphil Elite user 444 Posts |
I was just on world magic site and it comes up under the new catigory at 39.47. Not a bad price for a 2 DVD set.
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Showmethatagain Regular user 147 Posts |
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On 2012-05-03 10:34, Xpilot wrote: Here's the link http://www.worldmagicstore.com/recall-cr......k3uoet96 Cheers al |
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mike donoghue Inner circle 1295 Posts |
For many many years I have had an interest in memorised deck effects after watching magic legend David Berglas do his "Any Card At Any Number" at his home in Barnet.
Over the years I have looked at every single stack that has been on the market( and I mean every single one). All have their advantages & disadvantages. This looks like it will be a great DVD and it's obviously something different, as it's not usual for a full 2 disc DVD to be just on memorissed stacks. However both Aronson & Tamariz have stacks that can do everything that this stack offers( and so do others). This is not a critisism in any way as I WILL BE BUYING THIS WHEN IT IS AVAILABLE as I love memorised deck work. One point I would like to make is that if you entertain with a stacked deck, you need about 3 entertaining routines in your set and that's it ! You do not need 37 poker hand deals, 26 bridge demonstrations, 15 spelling effects & 20 versions of ACCAN. £ effects maximum or your audience will seem as if they are hypnotised and fall asleep lol. Anyway, looking forward to this. MIKE DONOGHUE |
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JeremyM0411 Special user Moody, Alabama 608 Posts |
This is very interesting!!! Can't wait for some reviews!
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drphil Elite user 444 Posts |
We don't know what he has built into his stack so how can we compare it to other mem. decks. I agree you only use 2 or 3 effects at one time but the more you know the more options you have to pick the best effect at the time. This is the art of jazz magic, and increases the fun. Not to always have just a few pet moves or tricks. If I think this deck offers an effect I want and can't easily do with the aronson I will memorize it also.
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
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On 2012-05-03 10:38, drphil wrote: You don't even need a glimpse. See my work incorporating a Marlo idea (which I independently created). |
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crozboz New user York, UK 30 Posts |
Thanks for the kind words regarding the trailer and WPR mention.
MikeDonoghue - you make a great point and I couldn't agree more. I think the most valuable thing about working with a mem deck is knowing enough about card magic to be able to, more or less, make it up as you go along. ie. put a deck of cards down, have someone name a card and just see what happens. It's for that exact reason that I put in all the spelling features for example, as well as a couple of other little bits and pieces. The features built in are: Any called for poker hand (after one cut) 36 cards spelled to Five 4 of a kinds spelled to (see trailer - 5 of hearts being one) A few of the cards are specially placed for a very usable Jenning's style coincidence routine (suggested by Eric Richardson) 4 aces are in "easy to produce" locations There is a built in storytelling deck (this isn't built in as such, but it does save you having to create your own It's a fishing deck - or pump deck There are a couple of other lesser features built in, but they're rather trick specific. They are on the DVD mind you. That being said - my favourite thing to do is just put the deck down and say "name a card". You never know what'll happen!
Tom Crosbie
"Expanded bread shell is a method I hope to see lots more of in future" - Tom Stone |
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drphil Elite user 444 Posts |
Larry ,I agree their are many ways I was using the example because of how easy it is to do. Also I'm curious what others think that don't use any mem. deck about this new stack. Will this move them over or will they not even consider it.
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drphil Elite user 444 Posts |
Crozboz this sounds great and I look forward to getting this. I use the aronson deck now but like I stated I'm always looking for new ways to jazz it up. And I'm looking forward to see what you have come up with.
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crozboz New user York, UK 30 Posts |
Thanks Dr.Phil,
Aronson was my second stack, and it was great for a short while. Tamariz was my first, and I never used any of the features - then the same went for Aronson (except the occasional use for the Any called for Poker hand) I've gone through the others as well - Osterlind, New Deck, etc. But I settled with mine, just because it had enough features you can use without disturbing the stack. There are a few clever ideas on the first disc for just any mem stack - so if you get the dvd and find you don't think the Shadow Stack is worth learning, you will hopefully still get a couple of ideas from it! Cheers, Tom,
Tom Crosbie
"Expanded bread shell is a method I hope to see lots more of in future" - Tom Stone |
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drphil Elite user 444 Posts |
Crozboz : this is one I'm looking forward to getting. But I wonder what other non mem. Deck workers think. I think learning a new deck for more built in effects is a no brainer. I also love the idea of setting the deck down and jazzing effects based on what is said and what you know. But I must admit I'm not their yet ,I still go to the comfort zone of tried and true.
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mike donoghue Inner circle 1295 Posts |
Hi eveyone.
Dr. Phil-we do know what Tom has built into his stack as it tells you on the Worldmagicstore site in the advert. Also the guys tell you on the latest wizard product review. Crozboz- this looks like it's going to be an excellent release and I can't wait to get it, and check out your Shadow stack.It's about time that someone put a DVD out on memorised deck work. I am sure it will do really well when it's released. Mike Donoghue |
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crozboz New user York, UK 30 Posts |
Mike,
That was kind of our thinking too. It was a lot of work creating the *** thing, but it's pretty handy now it's done. Thanks for your kind words (i just wish people on the Genii forum were as nice!) I think the memorised deck in general is a rather advanced technique. ie. you need to know a lot about magic before you can really use one to it's full potential. A lot of people, it seems, done come across the concept until a few years into being into magic. I think the DVD will get it into the younger magicians hands at least. But yeah - hopefully it will do well! Fingers crossed at least! All the best, Tom,
Tom Crosbie
"Expanded bread shell is a method I hope to see lots more of in future" - Tom Stone |
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drphil Elite user 444 Posts |
Mike : Perhaps I worded that incorectly. What I should have said was how can you say that the other decks can do everything that this offers. As you stated each stack has it's advantages & disadvantages. How the built in effects play out is what determines the usefulness of this compared to other stacks. I think the more built in effects you have the more interesting the deck would be. Also that more workers would want to learn this. I've used the aronson for years but having two m.d. 's down just sounds like more fun.
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cardbiker Inner circle 1484 Posts |
Hi Crozboz,first I'd like to say I have ordered this and really looking forward to receiving it, my question is if you already have a stack memorised as I do with the Aronson will learning a second stack be confusing as you are already automatically associating cards with their numbers.Thanks Tim
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