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magicelam Veteran user Tennessee 368 Posts |
I was with Zauberer when he opened his... well worth the price.
Mike
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Scott Alexander V.I.P. 1471 Posts |
I've got my big boy underwear on right now.
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
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On 2012-11-16 17:13, Scott Alexander wrote: Could you wear it out of the package, or was there some sewing involved? :sun: |
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Zauberer New user Clintwood, VA 49 Posts |
Always figured you did, Scott :-D
Zombie Magic there are two places to basically stitch (maybe 3 or 4 passes with a needle) and that's it. No big deal. You don't actually wear anything though. Don't let the fact that there's some needle and thread involved put you off from the product. It's brilliant. |
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Aaron Smith Magic Inner circle Portland, OR 1447 Posts |
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On 2012-11-16 17:13, Scott Alexander wrote: Hahaha.. |
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Aaron Smith Magic Inner circle Portland, OR 1447 Posts |
This is a killer routine, at a great price. Most of the things that are done are just suggestions to make the handling smoother, as well as make the silks look more convincing. The one thing that is necessary, takes no longer than 10 minutes to do. Earlier in this thread someone mentions to simply tie knots rather than sew, and in case anyone was wondering, I tried this and it works great! It took literally 2 minutes to do.
I always edit my own music for my act, so that wasn't an issue for me. For those that do not, I suggest using audacity. It's very user friendly, and is freeware. You can get it here: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ It's always nice to be able to edit your own music, so you can create your own cues and get your timing down perfectly. This is a knockout effect and it is definitely going into my act. Thank you Scott and Puck for putting out another killer product! It's the perfect opener, and I couldn't be happier with it. |
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Zauberer New user Clintwood, VA 49 Posts |
I employed all the suggestions by Scott and Puck and the effect works like a charm. When they give you a suggestion take heed because it will help you execute the effect more smoothly. The best purchase I've made in years!
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Aaron Smith Magic Inner circle Portland, OR 1447 Posts |
I also employed the suggestions, and it was defintiely worth it.
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Scott Alexander V.I.P. 1471 Posts |
Thanks for the nice feedback....glad it is working well and that you used some of the tips and ideas.
-Scott |
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Saturn UK Inner circle 2658 Posts |
We have decided to take this item into stock at http://www.paulharrispresents.co.uk the delivery should be with us in the next couple of days, it has been a special order up until now.
As a bonus we are including the items suggested on the DVD as things you may like to do free of charge, so you can be doing this with the extra ideas without having to buy anything else. http://www.paulharrispresents.co.uk/new-......uck.html
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#theshopwithstock Pleased to be different! FACEBOOK: www.facebook.com/saturnmagic.co.uk |
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John Regular user 153 Posts |
Puck writes "keep in mind this is a platform and stage effect. You will need at least 10' from your audience for the toss to look its best." I have ordered this, so I soon will be able to experiment with it myself - but most of my work is "parlor" - groups of 50-100, but often not stage setting - some people/children might be 5 to 7 feet away. Could this be safely played closer than 10'? It seems to me the issues would not be as "exposed" as with, say, the dancing cane and that you would have more background "cover" with, say, wearing a "b___k j____t". So, my question from users is, can this be played any closer than 10'?
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Scott Alexander V.I.P. 1471 Posts |
We just did it for a magic lecture a few weeks ago and were 5 feet from the front row and it still fooled. You should be ok up close.
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teoswand Regular user usa 108 Posts |
It is really great routine....whole package well worth the money...
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bojanbarisic Elite user Croatia 462 Posts |
First thing that really bothers me is that Marconick was not even mentioned. To say that you have improved his prisoner silk and made it practical since it was a pipe dream is hilarious. How come it works so well here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yds6OOhMXnA&feature=youtu.be Have you Puck or you Scott actually read Marconick`s original magic, Original magic vol.4, his routine in Gen magazine or in any of his lecture notes ? Not practical ? Yeah, right. That is why he was a FISM champion ? He was a genius and Prisoner silk is one of his best creations. You should have given a full credit to him just like Kenji Minemura did when he produced his Marcomine silk routine based on Trio silk. Kenji did a great job and I understand why he marketed his routine since it WAS improvement and many phases to original routine were added. He produced high quality props and an exceptional DVD. Sorry but neither your routine, props or your handling justifies your decision to market this effect and to charge almost 200 $ for that. Since you have already improved smoking thumb, salt pour and prisoner silk by 2 of greatest Dutch magicians can we expect now that you also improve and market some of Richard Ross, Tommy Wonder or Ger Copper routines ?
Best, Bojan Barisic |
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puckmagic Loyal user Orlando, Florida 260 Posts |
Bojan,
First off we gave full credit to Marconick's creation as published in Volume 3 of Rice's Encyclopedia of Silk Magic where I first became familiar with the mechanics. If you read his work on the Prisoner Silk you will see a different handling and presentation then in the above youtube link you posted of Jorge Blass performing it. For one the two like colored silks are tied and one silk placed under the foot and the other held high in the right hand with the knot in the middle. If you try this with the suggested 24" silks it makes for quite a stretch. He then pulls the different colored silk from his inside pocket and tosses it toward the knot while pulling his right hand high in the air allowing the different silk to visibly become joined. The set up was very tedious and you had to use a stiff card to keep the works from becoming corrupted. In my adaptation all three silks are taken from completely different pockets and the mechanics are always safe from tangle do to my special set up that I adapted to the routine. Jorge is pulling two silks from the same pocket which is more obvious and also lends itself to a malfunction of the gaff. Anyway, Scott and I created a complete routine that includes the 20th Century Silks and Prisoner Silk routine for a wonderful 6 minutes of pantomime and audience participation. I don't know what your problem is with us but your accusations and tone lead me to believe you feel our creativity and adaptations of the classics is a bad thing. We have sold quite a few HP's and have had only one or two messages from unsatisfied customers. We take our research and development seriously and am offended that you would post such an uniformed stab at what we have offered the magic fraternity. I hope you will research what I've mentioned above and re post a retraction and apology. Regards, Puck |
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Scott Alexander V.I.P. 1471 Posts |
Mr. Barisic,
We mean absolutely no disrespect to the fine Dutch magicians you have mentioned in your above post. When we say the word improved, we simply mean that we have reimagined and reengineerd these great classic works to suit OUR performing parameters in today's modern world working conditions. We hope, in turn, that these works also suit the needs of our customers; and from the overwhelming positive response we've received, I believe we've achieved our goal. Thanks for your comments. They willl become an interesting topic of discussion we will add to our upcoming lectures. Dank u, -Scott |
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bojanbarisic Elite user Croatia 462 Posts |
I am glad that both of you replied on my post above. I don`t think I have any problems with you. What made me wrote that post was Scott`s post from the beginning of this topic " And Puck's work on the Prisoners Silk really takes it from a pipe dream and makes it practical for use in the real world. " So, as I already said you referred to it as a pipe dream. I am a Croatian and English is not my first nor my second language. To me pipe dream means something that doesn`t work in a real world. Since Marconick was 2 times FISM winner (both in manipulative and general magic category) well respected author of magic books and magic inventor I doubt he would have marketed a pipe dream. I purposely posted link to performance by Jorge Blass above. Everyone familiar with Marconick`s work and books would recognize this set up for prisoner silk as described in his Original magic book on page 128. When I am interested in a magic routine I try to read as much as possible about it and I check if routine or handling has changed over the years. Routine in Silk Encyclopedia vol.3 was written in 1962, Prisoner silk in The Gen magazine vol. 26 May-August 1970 and both handling used an inside coat pocket. When his book Original Magic came out routine was described using breast pocked as Jorge does. So, from the video above we see that Marconick`s set up from Original magic works just fine for Jorge and he is not an amateur who would use a pipe dream on that show. The fact that he pulls 2 silks from the same pocket doesn`t diminish the effect to me or make it more obvious as Puck wrote above. It keeps the gimmick invisible during the entire show. I started to use it in 1991 and it NEVER failed. Maybe his first handling using inside pocket didn`t work ? Well, thanks to Harry Stanley and A Unique magic Studio we are able to see Marconick perform most of his creations in 2 private videos I uploaded to Youtube including his first handling of Prisoner silk in clip 2 starting at 1:32 . I know that for most of you this will be first time to see Marconick perform most of his creations from Original Magic vol 1 and vol.2, it is a very rare video of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbI9ViFM7Tg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTm2HP2M5qM (with Prisoner silk) Puck I did my homework on this effect long time ago studding 5 different texts of Marconick, Vito Lupo, Alexander DeCova, idea by our member Amado Sony Narvaez who used a silk rose to jump from his lapel to 2 tied silks visible, Peter Scarlett`s The Prisoner on the rod, Vista silk where all 3 silks start on the left elbow, 2 are tied and 3rd jumps visible from the elbow as well as an unpublished version where first 2 silks are produced and not gimmicked in any way. If you take your research seriously I hope you have studied all those texts as well. To finish this post since it is very late here I will kindly ask you to point me to the credit you gave to Marconick. Was it on this forum, your routine package, DVD .. ? Best regards, Bojan |
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ljsviol Veteran user 345 Posts |
Bojan
Thanks for sharing the videos of Marconick; I'd been wanting to see some of his work. I really appreciate your making these available! Larry S. |
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Scott Alexander V.I.P. 1471 Posts |
I would like to mention that we do refer to it as the Prisoner Silk, and we clearly reference and credit our source as Rices Encyclopedia of Silk Magic. Neglecting to mention Marconick's name was not intentional. Anyone who takes the time to research it further in the Rice volume would clearly see Marconick's name.
It is often said that some tricks are killed by "improvements." However, in this case I say, not true. In my opinion, I believe that, our version is superior than as described in the Rice volume, and even as performed on the Youtube link, you so generously provided. I believe that the the ultimate effect we achieve with our re-imagining, makes the effect look more magical. Marconick's execution, (no offense intended) looks mechanical, whereas our handling looks more effortless and natural. I tip my hat to many of Marconick's creations. I happen to think that the Silken Bombshell is brilliant, brilliant, brilliant!!!!!!. But in the case of the Prisoner Silk, I like ours better. We all "stand on the shoulders of giants, so that we may see further." |
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puckmagic Loyal user Orlando, Florida 260 Posts |
Bojan, I really enjoyed watching the videos you uploaded on Marconick's work, thank you! I have to agree with Scott that the handling is less magical then what you see in Jorge' performance. Since you are familiar with the handling of both the Rice' version and Jorge' you should know that it's very easy to get hung up if you don't take extreme care. Have you seen our version? If so you would see that's it's extremely practical keeping the gimmick safe at all times. It also has a high visual impact. All three silks are taken from three completely different outside pockets to show they are not connected in any way. Keep in mind by doing this we've also managed to protect the gimmick from becoming upset during your show so it doesn't have to be an opener. I did research and had many great mentors and teachers to help me with the effect that Scott and I put out. Vito Lupo was one of my teachers and helped me with the Prisoner Silk when I was introduced to it by Denny Haney almost 15 years ago. He used a variation of the effect when he did a kung fu style act where his headband was used. I mentioned both of their help with this on the dvd. Once I made it practical It then became a permanent part of my dove act for 10 years where I honed it. Trust me we are not trying to discredit any of those that paved the way for our art.
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