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Doruk Ülgen
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One more snap victim here, stay away ! ! !
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Dear makeupguy,
I hope this is not the new business idea of Jack M.
After all, he could use his old customer list to get lots of clients for such a new business
:)
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On 2012-05-06 20:07, Urdangarin wrote:
Does anybody have information about SNAPILLUSIONS?
I am trading an illusion with them, bud do not know the company very well.


You should ask your performing partners Dirk Losander and Luna Shamada ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWRYuu0r3......embedded )

They know the detrimental effects of knock offs.

I can't believe how many members of the Café have bought from this company. Those who choose to play with fire must not think it is them who will ever get burned.
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I'm building a couple of illusions for a customer in France, and he just finished telling me his story of how he also fell victim to Snap. The usual story, got great communication, and promises, money sent, then they ignored him and he never got his item or money. He is looking for other victims to team up with for legal and speak out. And I thought there was a group of victims banning together with someone from the Café here looking to talk with other victims. Does anyone recall who that was and who I can put this customer in touch with? Thanks.

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Just hire someone to SNAP his kneecaps.
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Hi Swann,
if the legal system is not able to stop that cheat, we can not totally exclude the possibility that someone will use the money to pay a creative collection service instead of wasting it for attorneys and detectives who don't get anbywhere.
Of course, none of us will support such an idea, but I expect that many will hide their satisfavtion if they should hear about unfortunate experiences of Snap Illusion.
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Dear AllAboutMagic,
I truly admire those people who are born completelly educated and do never need any bad experience to learn from it.
Those who got burned have at least learned something about fire.
How do you know that fire can burn people if you never had the chance to experience it?
Richard
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On 2012-05-13 17:36, Dixie wrote:
Dear AllAboutMagic,
I truly admire those people who are born completelly educated and do never need any bad experience to learn from it.
Those who got burned have at least learned something about fire.
How do you know that fire can burn people if you never had the chance to experience it?
Richard




Dixie, that comment was a generalization and not meant for anyone in particular. Please refer to other posts above about the obvious inferior quality of a snap prop. A beginners eye may not catch that, but a professional's eye certainly would. Also when you know that an origami costs about 7000 and you buy a brand new one for 3000.....you shouldn't be surprised when something goes wrong with either the prop, the transaction, or both. Of course if you do not know what one should cost and are unaware about legit and black market props then "yes" it's a tough lesson to learn. However any established illusionist should know better. While the situation sucks, I find it hard to have sympathy for a performance artist who will sacrifice quality and ethics to save a few bucks. For the amateurs who are just starting out, that's a different story. But my post was directed at the performer and not the amature. It was also directed at the Café members who have a vast resource of experience to fall on when it comes to the ins and outs of "grand illusion." just look at the magician who performs with losander and shimada....he recently inquired about snap and received a ton of great advice from the members here. I do not know you, nor which side of the equation you stand. If you are on the beginner/amature side then "yes" I truly sympathize with you.
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I find it interesting that they have taken down their website.

wondering if things are finally catching up with them
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Dear AllAboutMagic,
I experienced the same as probably many other magicians who started with mistakes and learned from it. I ordered a used and refurbished origami from Snap Illusions and was not aware that even in US the market is flooded with copies. However, Jack stole my money (as he did from many others) and never delivered.
I was so angry that I bought the next original origami made by John Gaughan wich was offered by a respected dealer.
That is, why I have an understanding for those who make mistakes and learn from it and I am happy that you feel similar and do not in general blame all victims of Snap Illuions.
Best regards
Richard
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Dear Sam Sandler
maybe it helped that people in charge of the Snap Illusion investigation get a lot of information now that they are known to the victims. The fact that Snap Illusion still offered products on their website although they did already announce in public that they can no longer take orders and deliver was probably not a good idea.
Maybe an experienced attorney told that that this is another prove of their fraud and they better stop it?
Richard
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How has this company managed to rip off so many people without someone being prosecuted? Seems like this would be a matter of local, state and federal jurisdiction, given their business model. Surely someone in authority must be willing to investigate.
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"good news" guys...

Please, go to their website.
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Maybe or just hiding better.

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On 2012-05-14 10:02, hugmagic wrote:
Maybe or just hiding better.

Richard


He isn't hiding well enough. This is still up and running:

http://snapillusions.blogspot.com/
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That is not run by the same server the site is on. That is run by a different client called blogger. So this will stay up until they either take it down or someone does. Hope that makes sense.

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Dear Richard,
as long as they are hiding so deep in their mud that no customer will find them, it is O.K. with me.
As soon as they pop up to find new victims, someone will make their hiding place public.
There are too many now who are watching.
Regards
Richard
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Strange splash screen. It seems the company hosting has shut down their account...I wonder if the city or prosecutors looking into this had this move made? Often they will have a site shut down that is in conflict with business laws...until the site or owner can show laws are being followed and complaints have been extinguised. Or, of course, they may have not paid their bill for hosting. Glad to see this jerk getting his. I still stand by the advice that anyone who is owed money or props file a small courts claim. Its my guess only a few will see anything in the end.
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On 2012-05-13 21:47, AllAboutMagic wrote:
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On 2012-05-13 17:36, Dixie wrote:
Dear AllAboutMagic,
I truly admire those people who are born completelly educated and do never need any bad experience to learn from it.
Those who got burned have at least learned something about fire.
How do you know that fire can burn people if you never had the chance to experience it?
Richard




Dixie, that comment was a generalization and not meant for anyone in particular. Please refer to other posts above about the obvious inferior quality of a snap prop. A beginners eye may not catch that, but a professional's eye certainly would. Also when you know that an origami costs about 7000 and you buy a brand new one for 3000.....you shouldn't be surprised when something goes wrong with either the prop, the transaction, or both. Of course if you do not know what one should cost and are unaware about legit and black market props then "yes" it's a tough lesson to learn. However any established illusionist should know better. While the situation sucks, I find it hard to have sympathy for a performance artist who will sacrifice quality and ethics to save a few bucks. For the amateurs who are just starting out, that's a different story. But my post was directed at the performer and not the amature. It was also directed at the Café members who have a vast resource of experience to fall on when it comes to the ins and outs of "grand illusion." just look at the magician who performs with losander and shimada....he recently inquired about snap and received a ton of great advice from the members here. I do not know you, nor which side of the equation you stand. If you are on the beginner/amature side then "yes" I truly sympathize with you.


Dear AllAboutMagic
It all depends on what you mean by professional/amateur.
If professional means lot of experience in knowing prices and qualities, I am not a professional, I am an amateur. If Professional means making a living on your magic and not having over incomes bud what you do with magic, YES I am a professional.
I think this comment was unpolite.
By the way I play guitar and a FENDER STRATOCASTER (USA MADE) will cost you 450 US-$, bud the same FENDER STRATOCASTER (MEXICAN MADE) will cost you 175 US-$. Same Guitar, Same FENDER, different price ......
I find it hard to understand that in a land like USA, where laws are so strong with copies and unauthorized props, there it gives a company, who announced themselves on WEB and sell unauthorized copies.
Sory for not being so smart AllAboutMagic.

I am not
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