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Dear AllAboutMagic
It all depends on what you mean by professional/amateur.
If professional means lot of experience in knowing prices and qualities, I am not a professional, I am an amateur. If Professional means making a living on your magic and not having over incomes bud what you do with magic, YES I am a professional.
I think this comment was unpolite.
By the way I play guitar and a FENDER STRATOCASTER (USA MADE) will cost you 450 US-$, bud the same FENDER STRATOCASTER (MEXICAN MADE) will cost you 175 US-$. Same Guitar, Same FENDER, different price ......
I find it hard to understand that in a land like USA, where laws are so strong with copies and unauthorized props, there it gives a company, who announced themselves on WEB and sell unauthorized copies.
Sory for not being so smart AllAboutMagic.

I am not

Actually you are quite a bit smarter than you are giving yourself credit for. I applaud you for asking the question on this forum and using the members here as a learning resource. I think you are very smart, and as a result you will most likely not get burned. I did not mean any offense to you, and I should have used you as an example for how the Café can help someone from being ripped off. You posted a very valid question and received many valid answers.

As far as dealing with a company like SNAP....they get away with it because it costs a lot of money to prosecute. And until now there hasn't been a large enough pool of people who have banded together to go after them and guarantee a win. There is still no guarantee, but at least now the authorities will have to listen.
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Any Snaps victim, pm me to join us on the law case againist Snap. We re gonna finish this thing...
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Doruk, thanks for sending me the message in regards to who my client needed to contact. He has now done so, hopefully it helps.
There is one fatal flaw in Snap's excuse of falling behind in orders and unable to deliver. If they really were backed up, why would they continue to take new orders and promise them normal turn around times? You wouldn't unless ofcourse you have already spent the money from the old orders and simply cannot afford to make and ship them, but you need new money, so you keep taking orders with no intentions of delivering.

In the case of my customer, he was getting a "Custom" Asrah built and shipped to France for only $1300. By the time you pay for a crate or case, building materials, and shipping on a large freight overseas, there would be no money left for the builder, infact if it was my company I would be in the hole by a lot, unless ofcourse they had no intentions of shipping anything then its $1300 of pure profit. If it sounds to good to be true, then it probably is.

Vicki also gave him a high pressure sales tactic. I saw the emails. First they said that there would be no custom and just to order the standard model at $1650. Then after he said he didn't want it, she came back and said that they could now do the custom aspect, and best of all it would be the same price as the standard. But they had a sale going on and it was the last day of the sale, and he would get the prop plus Free shipping to France and the custom work done all for $1300 but he HAD to order and PAY that day. He had to pay through google or something because they couldn't accept PayPal (because PayPal shut them down but they didn't tell him that). He paid that day to get the sale, but 2 years later and he still has no prop, and they ignore his emails. Again, If it sounds to good to be true, then it probably is.

Another thing that ticks me off is that they give reputable builders a bad name. Some people are very reluctant to deal with another builder after being a Victim of Snap! And people who just see their site and don't know they are a scam come and think that all illusions should be priced like the Asrah above. I really hope snap is made take responsibility for their actions of theft.


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That's a great post, Peter!
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I think it would be great to have many people contact snap with bogus sales purchase questions. Let them think they will be making another sucker sale. Waste their time. Once they get excited about yet another scam, let them know they're scum. Someone needs to find this guy and have a nice face to face. He deserves to be schooled the old fashioned way.
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I got a question to the fellow magicians in US and I appologize in advance if it may sound stupid. After all, I am a foreigner and not familiar with US procedures:

What is the right way to contact the IRS if someone would like to suggest to them to compare certain payments of foreign magicians to a certain company in 2010 and 2011 with the tax filing such a company did for the same years?
Are there local tax authorities who are the right contact or regional ones or how does this work?
Just as an example let us select randomly Indiana Smile

Maybe a certain person did pay all his taxes, but then again, maybe he did not. Who knows.
Having a nice collection of copies of payment orders from several magicians, why not using it for a good purpose? Smile
At least money which has bee taken illegally should not be easy earned money.

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I don't know who is living in that state but a local magician should print out this pages and take to the police station and ask their help. It would be a big help if this magician could show some payment copies. The question is: who is living in that state and would he volunteer to go to the police station? This magician would be a big hero to the other magicians. And don't forget you can make a difference (oh that's John Walsh from AMW). Smile
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I doubt if IRS would do much. We just had the FBI take down some big goverment officials in Cleveland, Ohio, for kickback and undeclated earnings. IRS will hop on the bandwagon if the FBI goes after the party. In this case, since it involves interstate commerce and mail fraud, the FBI would be involved.

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For what it's worth:
From the US Postal Inspection Service website:

Mail Fraud

U.S. Postal Inspectors investigate any crime in which the U.S. Mail is used to further a scheme--whether it originated in the mail, by telephone, or on the Internet. The use of the U.S. Mail is what makes it mail fraud.

If evidence of a postal violation exists, Postal Inspectors may seek prosecutive or administrative action against the violator. However, if money is lost through a fraudulent scheme conducted via the mail, Postal Inspectors lack the authority to ensure you receive a refund and can't require that products, services, or advertisements--on the Internet or elsewhere--be altered.

Postal Inspectors base investigations of mail fraud on the number, pattern, and substance of complaints received from the public. The Postal Inspection Service will carefully review the information you provide. We may share the information with other agencies when there is a possible violation within their jurisdiction.

If you feel you've been victimized in a fraud scheme that involves the U.S. Mail, submit a Mail Fraud Complaint Form to the U.S. Postal Inspection Service.

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I got taken also with their special sale and also selling off old inventory. In my case they were shipping the items the next day if they received payment. I paid, been over a year no response to any communications. I also go the email a month or so ago asking if I wanted a refund or the product but have not heard anything and now their website is gone.
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I've spent some time in the circus, and I know this: mess with people like SNAP is doing and, as said before, someone will SNAP their kneecaps..
I'm simply surprised that it hasn't happened before.. however, I read something about an uncle that died, perhaps not an excuse Smile

Saw this happen before, artists that didn't get paid en all of the sudden they showed up with 25 of their friends at the boss' office/trailer,
you'd be surprised how cooperative they become all of the sudden, and I agree, it is not the right way to solve things, but sometimes when all other options have failed,
this is the only solution left.

The police will hunt down someone who didn't pay his taxes using canine units, swat teams and helicopters, but real criminals usually are left alone.
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It's so sad that these folks are still around. I have to admit I came really close to buying an illusion from them a while back, then I joined the Café and read the horror stories about so many peaple getting ripped off. I know that the products the make are pretty low on the quality end of things,but for someone that is just starting out or is low on money, it seems like a good way to go. You would think if they would actually hold up on what they say they will sell, and ship on the date agreed upon, they would have a good following along with a good reputation.
I wish the best of luck to everyone that has lost money to these knuckleheads.
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On 2012-07-26 14:34, Dr. Delusion wrote:
I know that the products the make are pretty low on the quality end of things,but for someone that is just starting out or is low on money, it seems like a good way to go. .

I don't understand why someone would even consider buying from them.
Their products are badly build, not deceptive and they sell rip offs.
even if you are just starting out or low on money your show and audience deserve better!
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