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Al Schneider
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Funny you should mention that.
I have never been challenged by laymen about the pop up.
I say I am goint to do everything as fair as I can.
It really works.
I did it for a birthday party of 6 year old girls.
A friend wanted me to do magic for her crowd.
They counted the coins as they went into the hand.
Like on Sesame Street.
You cannot belive the honest shock on their faces when I opened my hand to show one coin missing.
I cannot understand why any magician would challenge this.
However, that being said.
Make a movie of yourself doing a double lift.
Then ask a friend to show the top card of a deck of cards and put it on a table.
Watch him.
Is there any resemblance?
This my friends looks vastly worse than any pop up move I have seen.
However, that being said.
I am very sensitive to the thoughts of those of you about the pop up move.
I have thought about it and studied why the pop up move is so effective.
That is, why is it so effective overlooking the mechanics.
After this analysis I sought a different kind of mechanics.
I came up with something different.
This new move uses the good aspects of the pop up.
But with different mechanics.
This handling is very natural.
It is powerful. I mean really powerful. It leaves the pop up move in the dust.
If you were to take a movie of a normal person putting coins into their hand it would look exactly the same.
And the moves are easier to do.
Just finished taking pictures on a coins across routine called "Shove It One."
Shove It offers a clue to how it works. No gimmicks, can be done surrounded.
Need a table though. Not really that hard to do.
Shove It Two uses gimmicks "]" so you can show your hands totally clean through out the routine.
Pictures have been taken for this as well. It is difficult to do becasue of the [.
I still believe for formal performances the Stargate routine is very difficult to beat.
You want a trick you can do over and over again for the same audience. That is it.
Al Schneider
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Quote:
On 2012-05-08 07:59, Harris wrote:
..and if you throw in a c/s into the move...oh what fun....


Harris


!!!!! arrgh! shhhhh! MODS is it too late to remove that post?

move along, nothing to see. and we're reading, and we're not using a c/s with that sleight to show two different coins going into the hand one at a time, and we're reading and we've forgotten, okay?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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SORRY Man!!! IT"S all ready out!!! As is the Handleings With a C.S.B. ! ( Smile Just for You! Smile )
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I am rewinding my brain, as I type. ...

and putting the extra toothpaste back into the tube......


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I've learned Al's move some time ago and I have never been challenged by spec's on it either. I agree it is not the normal way to insert a coin, but as others have said here it is how you SELL it. If you say things (like Al does) I am going to do this as fair as possible... watch as the coin slowly goes into the hand... no funny business here... no trickery going on... etc. As it has been said here many times... if YOU believe... your spectators will believe. It is really a great move and Al has truly mastered it.
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I am somewhat confused by the thinking of many magicians.
They often seemed to be concerned about how natural something is.
Or they tell me something I do is boring.
It appears that there is a rule book in someone's hip pocket about what is natural or not.
If that rule is followed, then you have a right to call youself a magician.
Jamie Swiss' review of my material is fine.
He does some things that he holds in high regard.
I however, do not.
Here is the reason I am confused.
Is not our craft to serve the whims of the unwashed public.
They should be the final judge on what is magic and what is not.
Elsewhere in this forum I posted a story about Suzanne the Magician doing matrix.
The story was about a few members of the unwashed public paying real money to see Matrix several times.
They did not know the rules we must obey.
The point is, what version of Matrix do you do that you could do 7 times in a row and still kill them?
I am not the judge. You are not the judge. The specataor is the judge.
I have done the pop up move for hundreds of judges and it has worked every time.
Does it matter if you don't like it.
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Calm down Al, it was just a harmless observation of the move. But have to agree with you that the specs are the true judge of things magical. That's why I'm always happy to be doing magic more greatly for laymen than for magicians (and I can do it for both no problem), much better audience indeed. Smile

And hey, did you ever post a demo of Stargate, been waiting to see how truly great this is.

Hope all is well. Smile

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Are you going to publish your new moves, Mr. Schneider?
Al Schneider
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Well, Mr. MB Why do you tell me I should calm down.
Does something I say wrankle you.

I have stopped putting my stuff up for people to see.
They watch it 100 times, reverse engineer it, and don't buy the book.
I got an email from someone once and said they watched a routine 50 times.
Then decided to buy the book.
If you watched it would you buy the book?
Oh, I thought so.
The first month I brought up my ezine(now long ago) it got 40000 hits in a month.
Sold one book.
Since then I have been working on a new strategy to sell.

Woland.
I am presently producing a number of books.
Shove It will be one of them.
They will be sold on amazon dot com along with my "The Theory and Practice of Magic Deception."
And now I am reviewing 6 new DVD's.
It all should come out soon.

To those of you practicing the pop up.
Here are few critical points.
First, do the move for real a lot before doing the sleight.
300 times would not be unusual.
As you do this, study the action of all the finger parts.
Second, here is the biggest error most make when mastering the move.
Most move the hand holding the intended coin in an arc around the left fist.
My assumption is that they are trying to be smooth and flowing.
That is a wrong attempt.
The intended coin is moved to the right of the left hand.
This is a quick action.
It is not flowing.
Then during the actual move, the left hand twists with a snap.
It is very sudden.
Doing that quick action really makes the move look incredible.
Then, right after the move, the right hand rises a bit and falls to the table.
To repeat, most people attempt to do the move with smooth flowing actions.
That destroys the appearance of the move.
Figure out how many steps are in the move and do each with a jerk.
Bang, bang, bang.
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Just call me "B" Smile

And no, nothing you said "wrankled" me, just thought I'd say hello in the way that you like to respond to...Gives you a real opportunity to let your hair down here and unwind. Smile Interesting point about whether I'd buy the book if I saw the video first. Not sure but I know one thing, I didn't buy the book when I didn't see the video first, or something like that. Smile

I can understand your thoughts about your work. I was told long ago that "Magicians are cheap!" Can't prove that by Todd Lassen or Jamie Schoolcraft as to their work but yeah, I hearya. Good luck with the new strategy.
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Al,

Thanks for the tips on the pop up. I have been working on it for a little while and your advice just rang a bell.
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Al, I started this mess. I want to say that your book is worth many more times the price of what I paid for it. Ignoring Jamie, I have been walking around and sitting with a half dollar in my hand and trying to get the knack of the move. I have a way to go toward proficiency, but it looks nice in the mirror. I like how your book laid out how time and experience changed your various routines. I liked reading your thought processes that went into the moves and evolution of the routines. Many thanks
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Thanks for the advice on your Pop-Up move, Al. Very much appreciated!

Regarding practicing the move at least 300 times, that is probably a minimum it should be repeated before even rehearsing a routine using it! I am finally starting to realize just how little I actually practice sleights and moves compared to how much I should repeat them. I watch Dani Daortiz show a sleight that makes me sweat - literally - and he says something like, "This move might look difficult but it doesn’t have to be. It becomes easy if you practice it at least 1,000 times before trying this routine...". And at first I think he's kidding, but quickly realize he is not! Most of the very deceptive sleights that must be executed blindly and swiftly - yet as casually as if you just scratched the back of your hand while talking to specs - do indeed need to be repeated hundreds and thousands of times before they become what people like to call "natural" in your hands.

But I rant...

Thanks again for your wisdom!

Jim
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J-Mac
Your comments are appreciated.
There is one little correction.
The 300 times was going through the pop up move WITHOUT doing the sleight.
Most magicians practice a sleight but do not realize they should master the real move first.
Lapping is an example.
Magicians practice lapping a coin but never think of resting their hand on the table when they are not lapping.
The result is that when lapping it looks different than when doing nothing.

My book The Theory and Practice of Magic goes over the theory behind mastery.
The idea is to transfer a move from your concioiusness to your (insert favorite word here).
Some call this muscle memory. Some call this the subconcious. I call it a memory bank.

There is another factoid here.
You will not master a move until you can master all the ways it can be done wrong.
Often in my classes, students say, "How do I do it right, I do not want to practice it wrong."
I try to explain that practicing it wrong is not a problem.
Doing so will still get you to where you want to go.
One must go through that anyway.

Al Schneider
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TB once said, if I had to do it all over again, I would have made more mistakes.

A worker will find ways (even after 3000 performances) to blend a mistake into the routine.

Some of my pencils have erasers on both ends. It is "pointless", to think I won't make mistakes.


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Al,

I've been buying your books and downloads since Matrix came out, oh so long ago. The white book you published "Al Schneider on Coins" was the most important link to improving my magic I've ever had.

I had no teachers or mentors. I was stuck on a submarine with only books to learn magic from. That copy I bought . . . in . . . the seventies sometime is bedraggled and smells faintly of turbine oil, (I dropped in the bilge once).

The concept of actually doing an action, for real, many, many times to learn what reality looks like so helped me I cannot even really put the importance of it into words.

Written to you over the years a time or two. I'm so glad your big book was published. That little white one is still my odds-on favorite though.

Thanks again,

Kent Gunn
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Al Schneider
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Kent,
Thanks.
You still gotta read my physics book.

Harris,
Sounds something like Murphy's Laws to me.
I read someplace on the internet that Murphy's Laws originated with some stage magician.
He said about his act, "If something can go wrong with it, it will."
I always thought it was some engineer thing. I am sure someone will check the internet and let me know.

Kent,
Got some dvds coming out soon. Some cup and ball routines that will make you drool.
I just got the proofs. They make me drool.
I have never seen them before till I saw the proofs two nights ago.
Can't belive my own stuff.
Al Schneider.
Magic Al. Say it fast and it is magical.
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Ahhh, I see only applause are allowed here as my post has been pulled. Must've "wrankled" somebody with alternative opinions and or not bowing low enough in awe. Smile Whatever! Smile

Hey Al, when you visit NYC, lets have a beer... Shake?

Good day to all. Smile
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Al
Is there any video of your routines utilizing your improvments on the pop up move. I myself do not use the pop up move other then the 3 ball routine but I am very interested to see where you have taken this.
Thanks
Respectfully
Larry
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Ijh21;
I am not sure what you are talking about.
Are you talking about the pop up move or a move that replaces the pop up move.
A reason I am confused is becasue I published the pop up move in "Al Schneider on Coins in 1975.
Since then it has changed.
I do not remember if the new handling was on the Al Schneider DVD's presently available. I think I use the new pop up move on some coins across routines that are now on You Tube. Search on Al Schneider Magic. This may answer your question.
The description in Al Schneider Magic is the best so far to describe the move.

If you are talking about my replacement for the pop up move, it does not presently exist anywhere.
I am attempting to get the book with it out within a month.
It should be reasonably priced. Will be on amazon.com.
Less than $10. Depends on how many pages it is.
By the by, I got some proof DVD’s of my latest video shoot.
One will have a detail description of the move.
One has Stargate on it. So, yesterday was the first time I saw it done.
It looks very solid. I think it is the best coins across in existence.
It can be done very slow and the audience can burn you to the max.
I think you could repeat it and it would still sell well.
I believe this will become a classic like Matrix.
Al Schneider
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