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ChessMess
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Since I've not seen any of this, I would presume this to be something as simple as:

"As you bring it up to your mouth at the fingertips, it rests on your thumb and you pull back with it as you're mouth covers the coin."

Maybe I'm being to simplistic... I don’t know.

One thing that gets me is... you have people showing everyone and their brother at a convention the move, yet won't outline it on a forum of like-minded people. Where's the sense in that?
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That's about right, though you have to be a bit shorter than the audience to make this really natural.
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I can honestly say the entire coin (silver dollar)is completely placed (100%) into the mouth / with the finger tip of the first finger and thumb only / Mouth closes over coin / Tip of finger and thumb come away from mouth totally empty / This move can be performed close up as possible and is totally angle proof / PEOPLE SWEAR THE COIN IS STILL IN THE MOUTH / The visual effect of the retention vanish is unbelievable / It's a very powerful move that can be incorporated into many different routines / The move has taken me many years to perfect!
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Mickey did it for us plenty of times. I saw it right at the same height level and it looked superb every time. The burn was incredible; it really looked like it went in his mouth.
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I've been doing something similar to the retention at the mouth, except I use it when I demo the cups and balls. I appear to visibly push a ball through the cup, making it seemingly appear inside. I didn't think that much of it, until the other day when I was getting gasps from magicians with it.
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Alan, how is that similar?
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I do know what a lot of you are thinking. I was thinking the same thing too when I read the first post in this thread. But if you will open that link I have above, enough professionals are being a reference for Mickey. Even though I haven't seen it yet, I am now saying Mickey must know what he is doing.
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On 2003-10-10 23:11, Dan Watkins wrote:
Alan, how is that similar?

It's only similar in that the hand isn't used to receive the object and the action is similar in execution.
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As mentioned above, Chris Corn teaches his technique on his lecture video. He says, "It's kind of like that Ramsay vanish..." It looks GREAT and with the addition of the tic-tac or piece of spaghetti... wow. Also, Chris has a really nice Ramsay type display of an empty right hand after the vanish into the mouth.

I’ve been using it this way:

Start with a half dollar in the right pants pocket and a silver dollar in the left. Get your tic-tac loaded in your mouth. Reach in to both pockets and come out with half, visible at right fingertips and dollar in left finger palm. Use Ramsay etc to subliminally show that there's only the half in play. Now do the retention vanish of the half into your mouth. Bite the tic-tac once or twice as your right hand goes back to the pocket for "another" half dollar. Repeat the retention vanish as you do some more crunching. You could go back for a third half to ditch the coin and come up clean saying, "I guess that's it.." Or you can simply reach in with the left hand and extract the silver dollar. Now you can clean up by taking the dollar in the right hand, ditching everything in your right pocket. Two halves = 1 dollar.... etc.

There are many, many ways to structure the handling. You could ditch the half after two have vanished and pick up the silver dollar from the right pocket. This would avoid switching hands. etc etc. Here’s my favorite:

Use a sh***ed half at the beginning. This way, the specs would clearly see two coins. Now you could either put "both" coins to the mouth and nest the sh***, coming out with only one. Or nest the sh*** outside and pretend to put the coin in the mouth. I prefer going in with "two" and coming out with one. Now do the retention with the sh***** coin and use the Ramsay so that the hand is seen clean. If you've loaded the left hand with the silver dollar, you can simply reach in an extract it. Now you can take it with the right hand, again using Ramsay so that it's clear that only the dollar is there. To end, you can place the dollar in your pocket, ditching the half. Alternately you can go to your right pocket for a 3rd coin, ditching the halves and coming up empty. This way, you end cleaner with only the dollar, which can then be replaced into the left pocket for a complete reset.

This sequence really plays well, especially the sh**** version. It looks very magical and becomes a transformation rather than a vanish.

Mike
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Mike,

Can you put yours on video as a display? It does sound interesting.
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I've got a couple of videos I need to do. I'll try to get a video up of the two halves to silver dollar described above.

Mike
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Mike, that routine you described (sh***ed half with the dollar) is absolutely CLEVER! I like it very much. It must look great and very, very MAGICAL! You are a very creative person. Thank you very much for sharing that with us.


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Bravo, Mike. That's just geeky enough to play in the right situations. And it just occurred to me that it's the ideal response to those annoying chuckleheads who insist on asking if you can do that really good trick where the guy "spit the piece back on the coin." Smile
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Just for fun today at a show I altered Doug Brewer's "Famous 3 Coin Trick" to use this, just to see what kind of reaction I'd get.

I vanished the first coin via the coin-to-mouth-retention followed up by the Tic-tacs, which really did stir the audience. It was great. Thanks whoever's idea that was.

I thought my reason to chew the coin should be motivated so it was because the first vanish didn't work and I panicked.

I told them... "Sometimes magic sounds like chewing"
as I chewed away.

Since that effect uses the one-behind method, the coin looks really, really gone after you're chewing ... because it is.

I then just have 2 coins left and did the rest the way I usually do.

Of course on the reappearance, that 3rd coin had to come from somewhere... and the elbow or the knee didn't make sense. You can probably guess.

Well I thought I'd try it and it certainly got a lot of laughs.

Incidentally, I had the tic-tacs stashed in the coin purse with the coins ahead of time.


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Mike Powers
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Thanks for the kind words guys! By the way, the idea of using a tic tac or bit of spaghetti is from Chris Corn. He teaches it on his lecture video and in his lecture.

I like the line given earlier in this thread "I'm putting my money where my mouth is..." Also Curtis' idea of using this when someone mentions the coin biting is excellent, especially if you're ready with a tic tac.

Mike
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Mickey does coin in the mouth better than any one I have ever seen.
His retention vanish is just a powerful. He had the convention gasping with delight, and on a personal note, he is a very sharing person showing us his technique.
Not many would do that.
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I've been reading all these posts about Mickey's coin work and would love to see it. Is there a DVD or video planned? Also, Mickey, are you planning a lecture tour anytime soon?
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Hello Canaday, thank you for your interest! I am presently working on putting together all my material.
Although at this time there is nothing for you to view. If you would like, PM me your mailing address and I will be happy to send you a video clip regarding the effects on my variation of the retention vanish in the hand, and also the mouth, along with a few others! (as a gift from me.) I am always willing to accommodate and meet new friends in magic!


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Thanks, Mickey. I will be looking forward to it.

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Very creative adaptation of the retention pass.

I look forward to seeing more of you very visual routines.

You are appreciated by,

Harris Deutsch
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Posted: Oct 24, 2003 2:51pm

This stuff takes the retention vanish to a new level.

Although I grew up on reading manuscripts and magic books, I acquired a few videos since the mid 70's.

Recently I ordered my first 2 DVDs; (Kam's and Mc'Clintock’s.)

DVD's are so user friendly.

I was pleased and honored to check out the "home made" video on the "IN THE MOUTH" by Mickey Silver.

Mr. Silver's combination of penetrations, body use
and use of clever subtleties (sic) would make up an interesting 1 coin flurry. His timing and use of both hands reminded me of someone familiar with mime, music, dance and possibly mathematics.

I am probably one of the few "coin guys" that does not do 3 fly. His parody got me thinking about ways (way in the future) where I could make this type of routine fit my nearly normal style. I won't give away the parody of the 3 fly because I don't want to spoil it for those that may see the video/future DVD or see it done by Mr. Silver in person.

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