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Hi, this is a question aimed at performers who work on ships or travel on planes with their show.
I currently work almost totally in the UK with a magic and juggling cabaret act, but I am looking into work internationally.
In my show I use a silverstar pyro, flash paper and sparkle dust, lighter fluid (both BBQ fluid and Zippo)and petrol in my juggling chainsaw.
These aren't allowed on airlines. How do you transport things like these?
Are they allowed on cruise ships once you are there?
Please help, if I need to cut these things from my show I'd rather know now.

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I use flash paper, cotten and string in some of my stage performances. I also use lighter fluid and some fog stuff for my fogger.

I place all of these pyro or flamable materials inside an old army ammo container. This is an heavy metal box that clamps down shut. It used to be used in the army and probably still is. It stores ammunition for some of the larger caliber guns.

This works great for me because it is metal and reinforced and is used to holding and storing dangerous substances. When it is clamped down, it is well protected.

I think you could find one of these at an army surplus store etc. Hope this helps.
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I could be wrong but I think there is a strict "no fire" rule on most cruise ships.
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Fire and Cruise ships do not mix.

One of the greatest dangers at sea is an onboard fire,
crew are paranoid about such things and rightly so.

Incidently, passengers tossing cigarette butts
over the rails is a great risk. The trailing winds created by large ships tend to suck objects thrown off the side, back onboard.
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Thanks for your advice.
I worked on a ship a few years ago and was allowed to use fire. I recently saw an advert for jugglers to work on major cruise lines which said you could use fire. Also I know a juggler who uses fire on ships. So it is clearly not a blanket ban. Although I realise some ships would not allow it.
Can I get more opinions from people working ships?
Also the original question about getting the flash stuff etc abroad when its not allowed on planes.
(Would this not be better back in the working cruise ships section? )
Thankyou for your help,
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Usually you would ship (mail) the pyro to the loctaions you are going to perform in. This way you do not have to travel with the stuff on planes.

I don't know about ships but I have heard of magicians who put flash cotton "balls" in with thier personal stuff tooth paste, hair spray... and it goes by because they think it's just cotton balls.

Flash powder can be drop shipped by some companies and it is standard to flush any un used powder down the toilet.

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Phil, the world is not the free place it used to be. There was a time when airports were there to facilitate travelers. No more! There was a practice in the past of wrapping doves in pocket hanks, putting them in the pockets of your London Fog and getting on the plane. Don't try it now. My wife is a physician. Once in LA, airport security after looking at both, allowed her to keep her knife because she is a doctor but took her bottle opener. The rules are too strange to gamble on for a showman who has to have his props and supplies.

You were given good advice. Mail everything ahead and leave what you can't use. I even mail live doves now. It cost about $20 to ship six of them over night anywhere in the USA. They have to be in the Post Office by about 11 AM and always have arrived the next day by 3 PM. Frankly, even as hard as I am on the Post Office, I have never lost a shipment of birds. (Lucy and I did lose a flying carpet once. Try turning in a claim for that one! They just won't believe you.)

I have changed some of my equipment that used to be flash paper and/or powder dependent to strobe flash like the FISM Flash. Lucy uses bubbles instead of smoke
in one of her routines. Magicians are creative people. Find another way to perform the miracle. Forget the government. Do you remember the song "One Monkey Don't Stop No Show"? Prove it! You're a magician.

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Heres an idea for ya and I don't know if it would work out ok but if you knew that you were going to be working internationally and had to either travel over seas to hook up on that ship or work your way over to that ship. Just find out if there is a magic shop in or around the area of where you supposed to take off at. Get your flash cotton, string, or paper supplies. Then go to a grocery store for the lighter fluid that way you don't have to ship it over and you'll have it right there.

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Traveling internationally, specially now , is tough with an act - I have had my cases held up in customs a good number of times - as far as pyro, I have simply made it a point to not travel with it - if we are working in the states, then it is a different game.
Steve Zigmont is a good source for pyro and shows - We usually simply hire a pyro company to do our shooting for us.
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Bob is correct
I have traveled extensively in the trade show biz and find it essential to ship overnight. Your client will usually pay for this because that is standard practice at these conferences. Mark your box with some significant color tape to spot in the mega stacks of booth material arriving.

On PYROS, you must claim Hazardous Materials for shipping the pyros, blanks for blank guns, etc. which can be costly and delay shipment.
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Don't mail it... you need ot use a courier company like DHL, or UPS. They have rules for shipping pyro, and hazardous materials but you can find out what the rules are and work within there paramaters.

we where performing in China a couple of years ago and needed to ship over some fluid because the godless communists don't allow good old fasioned american BBQs. and therefor nor BBQ fluid which we needed for some of your equipment. I contacted a company who charged us $175 to package our six bottles of fluid properly. When it arrived in China it was packaged in a plain cardboard box with regular packing styrafoam penuts. the box had a Hazmat sign on the side but that was it. so go to the website and find out what the rules are... You might be suprised at what you can get away with.

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