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helder![]() Special user Portugal 974 Posts ![]() |
Hi buddies, what's your opinion about this routine? The discrepances, the 5th card? Do you use it?
I'm thinking in using it with a message on the back (a word for each card), or a company logo instead of different color backs. I will do it in a tv show, maybe. Some magicians said that the 5th card it's not good, how about put in in the pocket (ace of spades) and make it appear on the packet?
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dpe666![]() Inner circle 2894 Posts ![]() |
I use this all the time with fantastic results. It sounds to me like you suffer greatly from "Magician's Guilt".
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helder![]() Special user Portugal 974 Posts ![]() |
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On 2012-05-16 21:38, dpe666 wrote: I don't suffer ''magicians guilt'' instead I like think in what I'm doing and do my best, wich is a diferent thing. But thanks anyway for your advices. Much appreciated
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dpe666![]() Inner circle 2894 Posts ![]() |
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On 2012-05-16 20:33, helder wrote: All of those issues are examples of magician's guilt. You (and others) think too much like magicians and not like lay people. No lay person (who has been entertained) is going to question those things. I do this effect at nearly every table, almost every night. I have been doing this for the last year. Not once has anyone questioned the 5th card or noticed any discrepancies. Do not worry about stuff like that, and just worry about being entertaining. ![]() |
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helder![]() Special user Portugal 974 Posts ![]() |
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On 2012-05-16 22:52, dpe666 wrote: So, for you the most important thing it's entertainment? Where's the importance of the effect? It doesn't matter, it matter but the entertainment it's more important or you don't care? Alright, again thanks for your advices. Very helpfull.
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Mb217![]() Inner circle 8777 Posts ![]() |
I mostly agree with dp on this, I think he's more right than wrong. Spec's typically do not pickup such discrepancies, heck a lot of times they might not pick up outright mistakes.
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Mr. Mystoffelees![]() Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3621 Posts ![]() |
"So, for you the most important thing it's entertainment? Where's the importance of the effect?"
I agree, and for me discrepant effects are troubling and I avoid them. Of course, entertainment is vital and necessary, but my venue is magic, and I want my audience to NEVER be able to suss out the method. Long after the entertainment has ebbed, some specs will have a niggling suspicion or a remembrance, and therefore a final opinion. I want that opinion to be "it was a great show, and that guy is a MAGICIAN" Jim!
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pabloinus![]() Inner circle 1611 Posts ![]() |
Spin Doctor is a great trick, I am a hobbist so I am more a spectator than magician,and the discrepancy was invisible, until I got the DVD and start playing with the trick.
I am sure that any other spectator will have the same experience, great trick, and nothing to be found. At least this is my experience Pablo |
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mickym![]() Loyal user 232 Posts ![]() |
I also agree with all these claims. I think that the most important thing is that the audience is left with a strong impression of having had a good time, having seen unbelievable things, and even sometimes they will not remember what exactly was the effect. They may even not remember at all what was the effect and only that it was extraordinary. This is what is important.
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Xcath1![]() Inner circle 2475 Posts ![]() |
I am using the Spin Doctor set for B'rainiac, from Triabolical. I did not think much of the trick when I saw the demo but I decided to give it some play. Great responses, 5! climaxes in one effect. Their chosen Ace face up, all others blank, their chosen ace has a different color, other aces return, all have different backs. Done in the hands. One of my go to effects now.Am posting in packet tricks as well
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Magicsquared![]() Inner circle 1260 Posts ![]() |
This is a bizarre thread. There is no discrepancy in Spin Doctors. The appearance of the 5th card is part of the effect. But yes, you could certainly just pocket that card (and have it "return" to the packet) if that feels more logical to you.
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dpe666![]() Inner circle 2894 Posts ![]() |
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On 2012-05-18 17:09, Magicsquared wrote: Yes there is. Now, getting back to my point. I would rather see a competent magician performing passable sleight of hand yet is entertaining the hell out of the audience than to see a slick sleight of hand artist performing perfect sleight of hand yet is boring the hell out of the audience. Is it possible to perform the sleights perfectly and be entertaining? Of course it is, and one should strive for that (Chad Long springs to mind). However, it is more important to an audience that they are entertained. That is what they are paying you for. If not with money, then they are paying you with their time, which to some people is more valuable. ![]() |
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Mr. Mystoffelees![]() Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3621 Posts ![]() |
Well said, dpe...
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Magicsquared![]() Inner circle 1260 Posts ![]() |
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On 2012-05-18 21:19, dpe666 wrote: You're mistaken or you're misunderstanding the effect. And, to your bigger point, I have no doubt that if the performer can't grasp the premise of the effect then it's going to be hard to be entertaining with it. |
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Mb217![]() Inner circle 8777 Posts ![]() |
Oh, and as to Spin Doctor, I think it's pretty good. I like Bannon's tricks and used to do Duplicity all the time. I also like the way he packages what he does and his overall string of logic as to presentation. I'm no longer big on such involved card tricks, not big on all the twisting, turning and even spinning nowadays. I guess I like the simpler stuff really, but this is coming from a coin guy.
![]() ![]() Still, Bannon's work is a treatise on good card magic and he's had some really clever ones to be sure. Great worker and thinker and you can't go wrong with this Good Doctor's "Spin" on things. ![]()
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dpe666![]() Inner circle 2894 Posts ![]() |
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On 2012-05-19 12:38, Magicsquared wrote: No, I am not. There is a huge discrepancy at the begining. If I remember right Bannon even talks about it on the DVD. ![]() |
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Magicsquared![]() Inner circle 1260 Posts ![]() |
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On 2012-05-19 13:20, dpe666 wrote: Ah! okay, I was misunderstanding the original post. I thought he was complaining about the 5th card being discrepant. (Now I'm not really sure what his issue is with the 5th card.) yes, there's a discrepancy after the first display. dpe is right that no one notices. Especially if you take a beat right before that discrepancy. And even if something seems "off" for them, the counts that follow should reinforce what the situation is. |
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Mr. Mystoffelees![]() Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3621 Posts ![]() |
That is one of the reason I like Duplicity, it is so clean...
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Mb217![]() Inner circle 8777 Posts ![]() |
You're right, you won't even notice it, flies right by them. Lots of things in magic work like that, it's sorta like a jumpcut in a great movie, maybe you notice something or other but it goes by so fast within the greater context of the effect, that basically no blood, no foul. Much ado about nothing much at all.
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joseph![]() Eternal Order Please ignore my 17116 Posts ![]() |
.. and it's John Bannon ..I'm sure he's (and I) performed this
hundreds of times, and the entertainment value outweighs the discrepancies ...
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." (Einstein)...
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