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MagiCol Special user Dargaville, New Zealand 929 Posts |
Ed wrote: "I will tell people to look at magic books. If they do the studying, they will figure out how I did what I do."
Well, I tell some of them that how to work magic is in books at the library, and encourage them to do some looking. My thought is that they may become interested enough to become magicians themselves.
The presentation makes the magic.
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Stperformer Loyal user 291 Posts |
One thing that makes me shudder is the number of people here and there that want to become a Street Magician that have very rudementary sleight of hand skills. Now I'm not talking Straight Jacket etal but rather cards, coins, cups, rope, etc.
They then come on these forums asking how in the heck do you get and hold a crowd? Legitimate questions for even the skilled magician but honestly...if you can't walk, how in the devil can you expect to run?? A month ago I was approached by a rather over-enthusiastic chap on the streets who told me he was having problems keeping his audience and if I had any ideas. I asked him to show me what he was doing and he proceeded to perform a number of effects with blatantly lacking technical skills. I'm talking really elementary stuff like a double lift and false transfer. There's a lot DVD's out there now that teach you how to be a busker/street performer which is fine but I really think if you want to succeed you must have solid basic sleight of hand skills. And this takes a long time to develop. Not a few weeks or months. Sorry. You look at any of the really well-known street magicians, and they were all extremely competent with sleights before they actually hit the streets. So what I'm saying, is that while you often hear, "it's the performance that counts"...This is not totaly true. You really really should master the basics first, before you're going to have a lot of success out there, methinks anyways. |
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pepka Inner circle Uh, I'm the one on the right. 5041 Posts |
While not a busker at all, this has happened to me several times. People offering me $ to teach them card sleights to cheat like palming, false shuffling, controlling cards etc. I explain to them that this is what I've been doing for almost 20 years. These are very advanced techniques. It's like someone who just bought their first guitar wanting to learn the solo to Stairway to Heaven......you gotta walk before you run. Most people tend to get that.
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solrak29 Special user NY Metro 936 Posts |
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On 2012-05-20 11:52, Eric Evans wrote: I find less and less discussions are occurring on such places. Perhaps, these things already exists in older threads (and somethings do), or that others see other opportunities for such information despite the community at large. I absolutely would never contribute to exposure of magic effects (there is enough of that already and just waiting for it to die off or go away). Yet, with discussions on performing and crowd gathering techniques, I selectively add to such discussions that I think would provide value to our community. In general, I selectively and tactfully post these things due to the fact that it has taken me time, money, and effort to learn. But then I wonder, then, what do you talk about on such forums if you are not willing to share? In the end, I think it come down to the individual and their own motivations in being on such forums in the first place and the acceptance of community itself.
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MR Effecto Inner circle 2836 Posts |
You should of took the money. Then when he asked OK then how is it done. You just say ( Very well, thank you )
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Ekuth Inner circle Floating above my 1538 Posts |
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On 2012-05-29 12:55, MR Effecto wrote: And gotten punched in the face by a drunk college frat boy? No, tyvm. I like my face and hands the way they are.
"All you need is in Fitzkee."
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solrak29 Special user NY Metro 936 Posts |
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On 2012-05-28 07:09, Stperformer wrote: Whats interesting was that the poor chap didn't realize that something was wrong until he started performing in the streets. That's the good thing about the streets. You'll find out pretty quickly if something is wrong. The key is find out how to fix it. He probably didn't have anyone give him any feedback as family and friends are generally nice. But when you are on the street; it's a different story.
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Magician Shaun Special user Huntington BCH, CA 924 Posts |
I think that overall the exposure of tricks and shows like Penn and Teller's Fool Us is wonderful for magic. Science didn't advance to the point that it was at by using unchanged effects from 200 or even 500 years ago. Imagine your life today if that was the case. No electricity, no cars.....
Magic has gotten rather stagnant in my opinion. I perform the same effects with the same techniques as magicians 200 hundred years ago. There is very little innovation in magic. Most tricks are not new they are just a different way of using the same stuff. Exposing tricks to the public forces magicians to evolve. If we just keep our secrets how on earth can we get better? We won't because we don't have to. Sure there are a few tricks that were not possible all those years ago but in general we are the same as we ever were (silly song quote). Another thing to note is how little effect the exposures have actually had on magic. What was exposed? Stage tricks, sawing a woman in half, man in a box, the metamorphosis? How many people still perform the "exposed" tricks? How many many audiences are still wooed by them? People don't remember how a trick was done probably a week after watching one of those shows. The fact that the methods have been exposed and there are still magicians should prove this, especially since they didn't stop using the exposed methods. If someone says to you, I know you did that trick using a Svengali deck, after you did ACR, you can simply tell them, nah I don't use that method, everyone knows about it, here, and hand them your deck. You can use similar tactics for any effect you perform. "I can't do it that way after the masked magician exposed it, I devised my own method." If you performed well, even if he/she knows, they didn't see it, so they will likely take you on your word. Now if you are using a Svengali to do ACR, don't hand it to the guy..... |
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