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On 2012-06-12 20:44, R.S. wrote:
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On 2012-06-12 11:54, kambiz wrote:
... To assign them as simply human, degrades the intellect of the billions of people who have given their lives in love for Them, throughout history to be of less importance and lower than yours.......

Kam

To assign them as anything OTHER than human defies everything we know about nature, biology, logic, and the human propensity for embellishment.

I'm not sure that it defies everything we know about nature, biology, logic, and the human propensity for embellishment as much as it allows for the possibility that we don't know everything. Yet. I'm cool with that.

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On 2012-06-12 20:44, R.S. wrote:
Besides, billions of people "giving their lives in love" for someone is not evidence of anything, let alone that person's divinity.

Oh, c'mon: ten thousand housewives can't be wrong. (I know this for a fact because they used to say it in a television commercial.)

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On 2012-06-12 20:44, R.S. wrote:
. . . truth is not determined by a show of hands.

A shortcoming of truth that can hardly be blamed on Kam.

(Well, it's actually easy to blame Kam for it, but it's likely not his fault.)
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What sort of person deconstructs Plato's allegory of the cave to merely inquire about how to make shadows?
A more insightful student might ask what the guy wanted back in the cave.
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Can the real deity please stand up?
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On 2012-06-13 09:28, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
What sort of person deconstructs Plato's allegory of the cave to merely inquire about how to make shadows?
A more insightful student might ask what the guy wanted back in the cave.


Mr. T.,

The impulse is not to learn how to cast shadows; it is to meet the entity casting the shadows.

You are misreading Plato.
"Is there any point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"
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"The dog did nothing in the night-time."
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Let's just wait till we die to find this out. Smile
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On 2012-06-13 12:12, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
Let's just wait till we die to find this out. Smile


Time is running out. Won't be long. Smile Count on it. Death lets no one escape. Smile
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How am I misreading Plato? Here's the source text:
From Plato's Republic Book VII (Translated into English ... )
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And do you see, I said, men passing along the wall carrying all sorts of vessels, and statues and figures of animals made of wood and stone and various materials, which appear over the wall? Some of them are talking, others silent.

You have shown me a strange image, and they are strange prisoners.
Like ourselves, I replied; and they see only their own shadows, or the shadows of one another, which the fire throws on the opposite wall of the cave?

True, he said; how could they see anything but the shadows if they were never allowed to move their heads?

And of the objects which are being carried in like manner they would only see the shadows?


What we "see" is an interesting construct.
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I don't believe they are gods gdw....and I do believe They were human beings too. But the difference is that I believe there are twin natures to human reality, physical and spiritual. You, Jonathan, and Ron obviously do not....that is the crux of our differences I think Smile

All in good nature Smile

I'll leave my full position on this matter for you to read for yourselves

http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/bic/SB/sb-7.html

Kam


Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying about Jesus.
As for any twin nature of humans, they would still be just human, especially if this is what you believe to be the "nature" of human reality.
If it is part of our nature than it can not be more than what we are. Even if we are talking about rare exception achieving some perfection in a specific are of our nature, it is still, as you put it, part of our nature, and this they are still "mere" (hu)men.


I forgot about responding to this post gdw .

The Manifestations of God do have a human element for sure, but up until now the mysterious nature of their station was hidden from our eyes, mainly left to the interpretations of many who read anecdotal records of their lives.

However, now, the nature of Their existence has been extensively divulged for all to read and understand. I am specifically avoiding posting these details in here, since I sense most struggle with the idea that there is a twin nature to human existence, never mind the possibility of someone who has a unique third nature to Their make up and existence.

If you wish to read what has been divulged, it is perfectly within ones capacity to seek it independently Smile

Suffice it to say that They are not Gods, nor are they mere humans, yet can be perceived as both God and human at the same time....

(please read my signature below for a hint Smile. )

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I'm all for using the 3D glasses model of perception and presentation of statements/content. Rhetoric made transparent - or statements made plain in terms of what they appeal to - enthymemes in honest detail.

Agreed about a spiritual/sentimental/Greek Humors aspect of human consciousness that IMHO controls the majority of our experience along with some occasional input from a more "logical" function we sometimes call rational.
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On 2012-06-15 23:31, acesover wrote:
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On 2012-06-13 12:12, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
Let's just wait till we die to find this out. Smile


Time is running out. Won't be long. Smile Count on it. Death lets no one escape. Smile


That we can agree on. Smile

So no point arguing about something that we'll find out.

Soon enough. Smile
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