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Lou Hilario Inner circle 2234 Posts 
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I am building a long drawer box to produce my 2 macaws. I want to show the inner box empty by removing it completely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pIPK0xe944 1. My question is how do I make a flap at the end of the inner box? 2. Should it flip from the bottom up or sideways? 3. Do I use a spring hinge or something else?
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tristanmagic Special user 533 Posts
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To be honest I don't think producing 2 macaws from the same box is a good idea...
You need to have a big box and as soon as you open the box the people will see the two macaws in the box and I quess that you have to take them out one at the time which is anti-climatic. Have you thought how you will remove them from the box in a way that looks good to the audience? The only way I see this work is if you show the box empty, close it, open it again and both fly out at the same time, only then you will have a good effect! |
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Lou Hilario Inner circle 2234 Posts
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Tristanmagic, I have devised a way to separate the 2 macaws from the box. They are separated with a diagonal middle section and are back to back. As a matter of fact, this is also the way I devised their carrier. They are both used to this.
They will just climb out of the box from each end as soon as the top is open. I am making something similar to the Mikame Drawer Box. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LalYkBCI1......=mh_lolz This box will serve as their carrier and at the same time, a production box.
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tristanmagic Special user 533 Posts
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[quote]This box will serve as their carrier and at the same time, a production box.
Another idea I don't like as an animal lover! Some might follow your idea and soon we see illusionists carrying their assistants in a illusion b*s* ;-) |
gimpy2 Special user 960 Posts
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Lou,
I would think you would want to hinge from the bottom up with spring hinges. Assuming the dimension is much less top to bottom than side to side. First it would be stronger. Second the shorter swing will need less cover to hide the action of the flap closing. good luck
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jay leslie V.I.P. Southern California 9498 Posts
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Lou, The drawer box in the movie looks like it has a slightly oversized end-cap that sits on the front of the inner drawer (mag) and transfers (attaches) to the outer drawer because of the end frame which is undersize, and had a few Mags in it too. It looked too thick to be a wood panel on hinges (I could be wrong)
But why don't you perform a hanging table-steal after producing large silks. The drawer box doesn't compare theatrically to producing live birds from silks IMO.
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Lou Hilario Inner circle 2234 Posts
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[quote]On 2012-06-01 06:08, tristanmagic wrote:
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This box will serve as their carrier and at the same time, a production box. I am also an animal lover. My parrots do not stay long in their carrier. When I get to the venue, I always place them on their T stands. The carrier is only used during travel in my van.
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Lou Hilario Inner circle 2234 Posts
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On 2012-06-01 14:10, gimpy2 wrote: Hi Gimpy, thanks for your reply. Initially, this is what I had planned. But I am doing it sideways. The inner space in front will give more depth to the exposed slots in the outer front box.
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Lou Hilario Inner circle 2234 Posts
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On 2012-06-01 15:19, jay leslie wrote: Jay, you are totally correct on this. This is my next alternative if I find that my sideway flap fails. As for the the table steal, I don't like loading my parrots in bags. I feel uncomfortable doing so. I agree with you that they look more amazing when produced that way. Been there, done that, too. On the contrary, I do use Puch's Parrot from Sketch Pad and my Mollucan Cockatoo sleeps in it.
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AGMagic Special user Cailf. 775 Posts
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There are two things I would consider if trying to reproduce the effect of these two boxes. If you are going to hinge the flap from the side, I would hinge it off the back side. The second would be to make sure that there is enough clearance in the box so that the flap is free to fully open before the drawer leaves the box. I am not sure that I really like the sliding top access but a traditional drawer box with a removable drawer and two loads could get tricky to build.
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jay leslie V.I.P. Southern California 9498 Posts
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Either hinging it from the bottom or side means building a well the flap mist reside in otherwise the inner drawer would not be square as it seats. It would drop down or shift to the side. It wouldnt be the end of the world make a blamo style box whoch would is more deceptive. You can also make a grant style appearing cage with a folded flap ( or two) or a ba box that also has the fabric pocket ( ala grant) for a double production.
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Lou Hilario Inner circle 2234 Posts
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On 2012-06-01 22:14, AGMagic wrote: I hinged it from the back front side so the flap won't be seen when I place the "empty" box in. I need to round off the corner in the load box where the flap hits to close it. So far, I am satisfied with the results. I made a spring hinge out of a piano hinge where I had to fit 3 small hand made springs to generate just enough pressure. I also don't like the sliding top access. I am building a hinged door that opens from the top like a trunk would open. It is indeed quite tricky to build and requires a lot of thinking. So far, I have finished building the load box and the drawer. Next is the outer box. Pictures to follow.
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Lou Hilario Inner circle 2234 Posts
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On 2012-06-02 06:32, jay leslie wrote: I have built a blamo box for my cockatoo. I still have it. If done with a macaw, there is a tendency for them to fly off from it. My macaws are fully feathered and there is a risk of them flying around the venue if ever. Free flight is easy if I performed in the same venue but I perform in different venues all the time. And I don't accept outdoor shows for my parrots. My main objective for this project is to build a carrier and production box at the same time. I have seen a lot of parrot shows and most of them place them in dog carriers. I don't like it because the long macaw tail feathers tend to bend and I feel it is uncomfortable for them. I make it a point they have something to chew while in their carrier.
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jay leslie V.I.P. Southern California 9498 Posts
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How about a spectator who won't shut-up.
Jay Leslie
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AGMagic Special user Cailf. 775 Posts
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Lou, my concern with mounting the flap to the back of the front edge of the drawer is that it may rub on the load box and create a visible wear line after a while. If you address that concern you should be fine.
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Lou Hilario Inner circle 2234 Posts
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On 2012-06-02 14:44, AGMagic wrote: Hi Tim, solved that problem by rounding that corner and gluing black felt cloth on the entire load box.
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