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It makes me laugh that this guy is performing at a bar with all those fast movments and that weak plot. You could have just said oil and water and nobody would have cared. This is a prime example of someone trying to be clever without really showing how to perform for a real bar crowd.

pro tip, people drink at bars and would not follow this routine, not matter if he said the red cards are whiskey and the black cards are beer...just stupid.

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I like the idae of using the real drink for the final phase.
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Billy:

Not all bars are like the bars in Iowa. I promise!

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This is a prime example of someone trying to be clever without really showing how to perform for a real bar crowd.


Surely you don't think that was a real bar crowd, right?
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Lol,

Sorry about that post, I had just got done working and I had a few too many myself...oops. I will watch the video again with sober eyes. But now that I think about it, maybe I should watch all bar magic dvds (my own performances included) half tossed, maybe an exercise that would give me more perspective.

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Just re watched the clip, still think its way to fast....more three card monte then oil n water.

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On 2012-06-01 02:28, Billy-one wrote:
It makes me laugh that this guy is performing at a bar with all those fast movments and that weak plot. You could have just said oil and water and nobody would have cared. This is a prime example of someone trying to be clever without really showing how to perform for a real bar crowd.

pro tip, people drink at bars and would not follow this routine, not matter if he said the red cards are whiskey and the black cards are beer...just stupid.

Billy


Jason happens to be one of my good friends and yes, ive seen this routine get great reactions from crowds. No, it's not an actual bar. Believe it or not this was shot inside of a warehouse here in Orlando and that was a set created to look like a bar. It was entirely the directors choice I'm pretty sure. Oh yeah, this was actually filmed with an entire film crew which is what blew my mind.

For those of you who do not know Jason, he recently just needed his 12-year run at the Walt Disney World resort. He originally took over for Jon Armstrong at the Rose and Crown pub in the England portion of the world showcase at EPCOT. He then joined the cast of the street entertainers out at Disneys Boardwalk. So yes, all of Jay's material has been real-world audience tested for quite a while now.

Jason (Jay) is a PHENOMINAL entertainer...not just a magician. This video was shot I believe sometime around 1999-2000 so it really doesn't do it justice when compared to watching him perform live. BTW, the linked clip above was from Jason's video "Tied".
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Eatonmagic,

Just one question, would YOU actually perform this routine? And if so, what performance venue would you work this? If your telling me this is a good bar trick just becuse he changes the verbage from oil and water to....mixology, then I would have to strongly disagree.

I have no doubt that Jason is a good magician and performer, I just don't think that was displayed well in the video.

Wait, the fact that he was a good magician was displayed well as the routine is very well thought out, yet I think the crowd that he "seems" to perform it for would not follow the ebb n flow of the procedures.

Getting good reactions from a decent bar crowd is not a great indicator of a trick being good from a bar crowd, performance and proper excitment in the proper places can get reactions..

Billy

p.s. again I aplogozie for critiqueing the routine while being 6 or 7 sheets to the wind.
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Billy,

In the video he performs for two people on a sound stage. Not a bar crowd. His performance was, in my opinion, the perfect pace for the venue and the audience. If he was performing for a bar crowd, it would no doubt look totally different.

I hope it goes without saying that the audience you're performing for usually dictates the way you perform something.
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I have to agree with Justin, the context of the routine is best performed in a more intimate environment. Just because the set was designed to look like a bar doesn't necessarily mean its "bar magic". However, bars differ as well. In this case, the best type of bar (or here a lounge) would be one found in a more refined atmosphere such as a nice upscale restaurant or hotel. Not the rowdy honky tonk or loud music blasting kind of bar.

Again, I have seen Jay use this and yes, I have performed this effect at many of my restaurants specifically while the guests were waiting in the lounge area for a table. I also have successfully performed it at the Orlando Magic games at the Gentlmen Jack Terrace Lounge where the patter comes in extremely handy.
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In fact, now that I think about it, I'm surprised no one has come up with an "oil and water" effect involving magicians patter. Lol. " Now here are four black cards representing all the workers, and here are four red cards representing all the egotistical magicians who have their heads up their a**es....and they always disagree..."
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Ok,

I guess the context of the effect, with the beverage being waved over the cards implied to me that it was meant as a bar magic effect (more so then it being shot in a "bar").

I guess my cheif concern is that the effect is not as strong as most material in a pro working set, so it would have to be a right place at a right time peice.

Also, does it not look more like a test to see where the cards are going versus a very clean oil and water? The moment when he first sets the cards down looks like a moment that you would see in a 3 card monte, perhaps this is just coming from the eyes of a sleight of hand artist versus a layperson..but Im really not sure if that's the case?

I have seen some very clean oil n water effects, none of them really suit my fancy becuse often they come off as more a puzzle then "magic", but that's just a personal thing. With that said, I think there are "cleaner" oil and waters if one would choose to do such an effect.

With that said, I do like how the originator of the effect routined everything to look as clean as possible with his choice of handeling. Also, I am very confident that he is a very good artist...perhaps its just the oil and water concept that keeps me hung up.

Also, changing oil and water verbage into mixology doesn't seem to enhance the presentation...perhaps that's becuse it feels he is just trying to "modernize" a presentation, but for me it falls flat.

I will give you an example of a moder classic that I turned into an adult beverage theme too show an example, so I don't just seem like a jealous critique.

The ootw principle is a very hard effect to perform at bars (the ones I perform in at least) so as an exercise in routining I adopted a theme that becomes interactive and "fun" for a bar crowd.

On the back of my business cards I write, Beer on 10 and Whiskey on 10 of the cards. One at a time I ask someone to hold a card and tell me the first taste that comes to his mouth...beer or whiskey (it takes a moment for the first two spectators to decide but I have ways around that, none worth going into on an open forum).

From this point I just do John Armstrongs handeling of ootw (I forgot the name of the routine).

This turns ootw into a bar effect and at the end of the routine I place a shot of whiskey on one stack of cards and a beer on the other thanking the participants for the help and saying..."see, not only does my business cards give you information on teh best entertainment for the buck, but you can also take my business cards home and use them as coasters", this line borders on corney...but I like it.

Billy
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Again, Jay is a great magician and entertainer and like most magic what works for one might not be for another.

Btw, here is another clip if Jay doing what he does best out at Disneys Boardwalk resort. I think you'll see a distinct difference in his style over the last 10 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIU02tCgk......a_player

Enjoy ; )
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Eatonmagic,

Havent even finished watching the effect, but I gotta say...love him! Thanks for sharring, this is what close up is supose to look like, fun and entertaining.

Billy

p.s. oil n water is still not my cup o tea Smile
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Wow,

Five minutes of pure entertainment using a classic of magic....boys n girls, that's how its done! Hopefully some day soon my work takes me to Florida and I can buy you guys a drink, hats off.

Billy
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On 2012-06-03 11:46, eatonmagic wrote:
In fact, now that I think about it, I'm surprised no one has come up with an "oil and water" effect involving magicians patter. Lol. " Now here are four black cards representing all the workers, and here are four red cards representing all the egotistical magicians who have their heads up their a**es....and they always disagree..."


VERY funny!
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Wow,

Five minutes of pure entertainment using a classic of magic....boys n girls, that's how its done! Hopefully some day soon my work takes me to Florida and I can buy you guys a drink, hats off.

Billy


Come on down brutha! LOTS of talent down here! Kostya Kimlat, Michael Ammar, Terry Ward, Geoff Williams, Jeff Kaylor and all the Magic Estate family, Fred Moore, Chad Long, Jeff Pierce, Paul Cummins, Robert Moreland, Ryan Schlutz...dude...I could keep going ; )
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On 2012-06-03 11:46, eatonmagic wrote:
In fact, now that I think about it, I'm surprised no one has come up with an "oil and water" effect involving magicians patter. Lol. " Now here are four black cards representing all the workers, and here are four red cards representing all the egotistical magicians who have their heads up their a**es....and they always disagree..."


I think it would be better to choose two sets that have no intersection.
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