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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
My dad did the gopher thing for the dodgers in the 40s. He was a nuke engineer and had three of us kids around when the mets came along.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
My dad did the gopher thing for the dodgers in the 40s. He was a nuke engineer and had three of us kids around when the mets came along.
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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts |
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Santa, I agree with you, Boyer wasn't that great, but it was clear that Yogi was Boyer's friend and that he had no use for Schmidt for whatever reason, and that was that. Everyone in the room was having too good of a time to debate and it wasn't really a debating session. Still, I never forgot his words.
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?
My neighbor rang my doorbell at 2:30 a.m. this morning, can you believe that, 2:30 a.m.!? Lucky for him I was still up playing my drums. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Lobo-
Clete Boyer deserves a bit more credit than you seem to give him. From 1961 to 1963 he led all American League third basemen in assists, put outs and double plays. He finished ahead of Brooks Robinson in all of those categories but, for some reason, Robinson received the Golden Glove award for those years. I won't argue that Mike Schmidt wasn't the overall best at third, but I will argue that Boyer was at least on a par with or better than Robinson. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-06-03 23:25, mastermindreader wrote: I think your New York is showing a bit. In the three years in question, Boyer had 503 putouts and 1058 assists (at third base); Robinson had 467 putouts and 1000 assists. But Boyer had 62 errors to Robinson's 37. That's about 8% more putouts and 6% more assists for Boyer, and about 67% more errors, which is why Boyer's fielding percentage was around a very respectable .950, while Robinson's was a ridiculous league-leading .975 or so on average over those three years. In fact, Robinson led the AL in fielding percentage 9 years out of 10 in the decade of the 60's. I think it's close but clear that Robinson was a better defensive third basement over the years '61-'63. What isn't close is who was a better overall player over their careers, for two reasons - First, duration and consistency; Robinson was in the top 5 in fielding percentage at 3rd base for 17 years, and #1 most of those years. He's the career leader at the position in putouts and assists, and 3rd in fielding percentage. Second, on the offensive side of the ball, Robinson has an even bigger edge. On a per-162-games basis (so as not to overstate Robinson's advantage on the basis of longevity), Robinson hit .267 with 27 doubles; Boyer hit .242 with 19 doubles (their home runs were comparable). Robinson also struck out 55 times and had 48 walks per 162 games; Boyer drew a comparable 44 walks, but struck out 87 times. None of which is to say, by any means, that Boyer was a bad or even average third baseman; he was very, very good. But I don't think he's seriously in the discussion for all-time best, and Robinson is. Boyer was one of the top 5 third basemen of his generation; Robsinon was one of the top 5 of all time. He was, however, the second best third baseman named "Boyer" to ever play.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Well I guess I shouldn't even mention my favorite, Graig Nettles, then.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Underrated!
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
My hero as a kid outside Atlanta was Hank Aaron. Thanks to neighbors we got to go to danng near every game of the Braves at home. Until the record got close then vips got the tickets. We were closeted Met fans.
I met Hank Aaron thirty something years later and he was a complete a-hole. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-06-04 13:51, MagicSanta wrote: I've heard that about Aaron. It's really funny that out of all of the players who have ever played major league baseball, Hank Aaron was #1 on two lists that have nothing to do with each other - first on the home run list, and first on the alphabetical list. Then in a very short period of time, he was "passed" by Barry Bonds and David Aardsma, respectively, so now he's #2 on both lists.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts |
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On 2012-06-04 11:48, LobowolfXXX wrote: Thanks Lobo, I'll have to get it.
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?
My neighbor rang my doorbell at 2:30 a.m. this morning, can you believe that, 2:30 a.m.!? Lucky for him I was still up playing my drums. |
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