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scottds80
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Here in Victoria Australia, we have a campaign on tv to stop drug affected drivers.
Warning - this ad is graphic with road trauma. They don't muck around!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rWMkFzvA......a_player
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Does it include fluoride affected drivers?
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The county jails in Pennsylvania are overflowing with DUI violators. The third offense around here is mandatory 2 years jail sentence, and those unfortunate fellows get to work on the back of a garbage truck for their two years sentence, and while they are incarcerated their outside life falls apart. No job, no place to live, no drivers license, no future. The DUI laws in PA are working so well we are creating a permanent under class.

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I do not drink.
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On 2012-06-04 11:47, Al Angello wrote:
The county jails in Pennsylvania are overflowing with DUI violators. The third offense around here is mandatory 2 years jail sentence, and those unfortunate fellows get to work on the back of a garbage truck for their two years sentence, and while they are incarcerated their outside life falls apart. No job, no place to live, no drivers license, no future. The DUI laws in PA are working so well we are creating a permanent under class.

BTW
I do not drink.


Sounds good to me. When I taught traffic school in the early 90s, it took about 2 years for alcohol-related accidents to kill as many Americans as died in 10 years in VietNam. Out here, we just keep slapping them on the wrist until they kill someone.

If you've got three DUI convictions, "Unfortunate" isn't the word that leaps to my mind to describe you.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I can understand a 20 year old partying and driving once. People make mistakes, though (IMO) DUI's about the equivelant of firing a gun into the air downtown as far as mistake level. But if it happens three times because you didn't learn the first two, then I don't trust your no impulse control having self to flip my burger.
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A very good friend of mine crashed into, and killed, a 23 year old man in Moon Township PA in 2009 while drunk. I don't even know how many previous offenses he had between WI and PA but it was at least four. He had several in WI that were wiped off the books when they still used to wipe them off. I doubt those were even taken into account at his trial. He got 3 years in jail and frankly I think he got off easy. I had been wondering for years when he was finally going to kill himself or someone else.

Once is a mistake, twice you have a serious problem, any more than that and you are a menace to society. I'm not crying any tears for multiple offenders with 3+ violations. It's an unbelieveably dangerous, stupid, and selfish thing to do.

And I don't believe that in most cases these multiple offenders have been busted the only three times in their lives they ever drove drunk. By the time they have been arrested and convicted 3+ times they have driven drunk dozens, if not hundreds of times.
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It is a very good thing that at my age I go to bed before the police start stalking late night drivers.

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Marijuana smokers are the safest drivers on the road.
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On 2012-06-04 12:34, Al Angello wrote:
It is a very good thing that at my age I go to bed before the police start stalking late night drivers.


My friend caused his fatal accident at 5:15 pm on a wednesday. But yeah, I hope that nobody you care about ever has a head on run in with one of those unfortunate souls who like to get drunk and take to the roads. You'd be singing a different tune about repeat drunk drivers, I guarantee that.
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Maybe the sentencing guidelines for 3rd offense DUI convicts should be written by people who have lost loved ones to people on their 4th DUI.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I do not have a dog in this fight, but they are adding lots of trailers at the county prison to accommodate the giant influx of DUI criminals. Of course the state institutions are overflowing with marijuana criminals. Did I read some where that 1/3 of all the prisoners in the world are in the good old US of A?

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I hear in the news that in California there is a big trend for house arrests because there's no more room in prisons for all the convicted criminals? Soon we will all either be in jail, or working as prison guards.
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Hi Al,

As others have said, think of the people these guys DIDN'T kill while they were serving their mandatory sentences. And I wouldn't care if 99 44/100% of all the prisoners in the world were in the USA, if that's where they belonged.

By the way, on what do you base your claim that a stoned pot-smoker is the safest driver around?
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On 2012-06-04 13:02, Al Angello wrote:
I do not have a dog in this fight, but they are adding lots of trailers at the county prison to accommodate the giant influx of DUI criminals. Of course the state institutions are overflowing with marijuana criminals. Did I read some where that 1/3 of all the prisoners in the world are in the good old US of A?


Could be. I don't know. I'm not in favor of roadblocks and all that stuff. But I can't really abide these multiple offenders. I myself have had two DUI convictions, the last one in 1996. I don't even know if they are ever taken off the driving records in WI anymore and I don't care. I learned my lesson. Even though other than the money it cost me the 2nd offense wasn't treated very seriously either. I got off easy as well. Probably too easy but at least I wised up.

As far as weed it's funny to me that we have a President who if busted doing the things he admitted to as far as drugs would have been subject to the same bad laws that a lot of potheads (and probably cokeheads) like to complain about, yet he's in no hurry to change any of them. In fact Justice is going after a bunch of states over their medical mary laws.
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On 2012-06-04 12:34, Al Angello wrote:
Marijuana smokers are the safest drivers on the road.


:lol: Whoooooooo!!! Man! You had me going there for a minute! Booowahahahahahaha!
Ow!!! Stop! My kidney! Smile
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They have been trying for over 40 years to find something to blame pot smoking for and here is the first study that came up on Google, but somehow I don't think you will accept these facts or any of the hundreds of studies conducted over the years.

http://norml.org/library/item/marijuana-......evidence
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On 2012-06-04 14:18, Al Angello wrote:
Woland
They have been trying for over 40 years to find something to blame pot smoking for and here is the first study that came up on Google, but somehow I don't think you will accept these facts or any of the hundreds of studies conducted over the years.

http://norml.org/library/item/marijuana-......evidence


That's a lot to read. Can you post the part where it says "Marijuana smokers are the safest drivers on the road".


I don't think anyone is disputing that weed is not a significant contributor to motor vehicle accidents. Still, that's a far cry from saying that pot smokers are "the safest drivers on the road". Don't take a legit statement/argument and make it into a silly one. It's good enough to say that marijuana smokers don't seem to pose any significant threat without taking any further than that.
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If you are saying that Marijuana is a much maligned harmless herb then I gotta agree with you.
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On 2012-06-04 14:43, Al Angello wrote:
If you are saying that Marijuana is a much maligned harmless herb then I gotta agree with you.


No. While that may be very much true, what I was saying, and trying to be nice in doing so, is that a statement such as "marijuana smokers are the safest drivers on the road" is profundly stupid, and is not backed up in any way by that report you posted.

Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it grandpa.
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So here's another non-academic link that counters the previous non-academic link:
http://www.justthinktwice.com/factsficti......ess.html
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Of course we all know that one puff makes you want to kill your mother.
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On 2012-06-04 16:56, Al Angello wrote:
Of course we all know that one puff makes you want to kill your mother.


Wow, I haven't seen a discussion like this since...well, since Chance had an active profile. Is that the dichotomy? It either makes you want to kill someone (your mother, even!) or it's safe to drive stoned?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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