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martyjacobs
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Inert,

Thought you might like this site, it has some great pictures of a few E & W tricks.

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Whilst I recall Art Emerson demming a Flik book which was a nice size to go into your pocket I don't think it was an Emerson and West release. Like other dealers I think occasionally they sold one or two other products they thought were good. Of course, I'm open to being proved wrong, but that's how I remember it (and the 'ol memory is not what it was).

Yes, Inert, you can currently obtain both from me. I'll p.m. you.

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Marty...Great blog! I'm signing up shortly. Excellent research on the 'Color Monte' & '3 Card Monkey Business' connection. Your other link made me chuckle a tad (I guess we're both researchers & magic historians huh), as I've already used it to e-mail Andy Martin with a question about the inventors' name for 'Camouflage'. I'll report the answer if he replies. I've also requested Rod McFadden from the stellar Magic Gadget Site to join this thread. He is a helpful, friendly & super knowledgable bloke that can probably contribute a ton of useful info here. I just don't know if he is a member of the Café. We'll have to wait & see the outcome.

Paul...PM has been sent in reply. As for the 'Flik Flik Painting Book', for sure Art didn't invent it, but I believe he miniaturized it to pocket size. As for it being an E & W release, I am currently unable to confirm either way. I have only seen one instance of attributing it to E & W so far. I'm more or less still counting it as such, basically to keep the numbers & research motivation up Smile You could definitely be right on this one however.

But a single update today: Non-packet (not cards I mean here)

Passing The Buck - Larry West
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I think Camouflage is by Ronnay. I found two sites selling it and both listed Ronnay as the creator.

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Another non-packet trick by Emerson & West is the wooden apparatus for their version of Val Evans' STOP TRICK OF TOMORROW.

Is this the only wooden trick they ever put out?

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Is this the only wooden trick they ever put out?


No, Keepsake by Art Emerson uses a small wooden coin box. The coin is wrapped in paper, vanishes and then appears back in the box.

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Well Marty, if you say it's so, that's good enough for me. I usually like to triple confirm things in these types of projects, but with the scarcity of E & W info, I've had to settle for double confirmation on several occasions.

Julie?...as in 'mad skills' magic history Julie? Welcome aboard! It's great to hear from you. The pc police requested that I modify my old name around here. Our old posts give me a chuckle due to the name change. If you get a chance, re-read them & I think you'll see what I mean. Thank you for your contribution here. There's those mad skills again. This info was unknown to me. The only version I was aware of was Tannen's plexi type. To answer your original question, E & W also put out a wooden trick named 'Keepsake'. It appears to be a winner & is still readily available at a decent price. I do not own a copy, so I am unable to further review it for you. If E & W have more wooden props, I am currently unaware of them. This project is in many ways a learning process for me. If I find more wood props from them, I'll definitely post it here.

Thanks to the both of you, this thread now has 2 new updates. I totally choked in this department today. Thinkin' I might have researcher burn-out for a bit. If any readers here have any info, please do not hesitate to post. We need the help.

UPDATES:

Camouflage - Magic Ronnay

Stop Trick Of Tomorrow - Val Evans

New current totals: 36 + 8 = 44.
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Hello "Inert" et al Smile

For sake of completeness: P&L (Florida incarnation) also made a plastic version of Val Evan's Stop Trick of Tomorrow.

More recently Viking/CW made (makes?) the most beautiful wooden version.

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'Sun salute', Julie. Vikings 'Stop Trick Of Tomorrow' is truly stunning. Don't you find that George Robinson always delivers on quality?

Well, updates are down to mere trickles now. We could be at the upper limit. If anybody knows anything about E & W, please participate.

UPDATE:

Ace In The Case - Larry West (unconfirmed that it was a E & W release)
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There is one using two "Solo" cups and two dice. I believe it is called "Talking Dice", but I won't be able to verify this for some time.
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It definitely is not called "Talking Dice." I'll get back to you when I run across it again.
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A couple of more additions for Art Emerson:

Pegasus Page (Beautiful bizarre/ mentalism piece, icluded on a Richard Osterlind DVD)
Kling Ring (early PK ring, I belive marketed by Emerson)

Dragonash not sure if you are thinking of Dick Zimmerman's "Sure Thing which uses two solo cups and two dice...http://www.hanklee.org/xcart/product.php?productid=2199

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Hello all,
I have collected E & W for a number of years and have a few additions:

Bottle Glass/Glass Bottle – Peter Kane
Magic Eye – Larry West
Fred Castle’s “Holiday Adventure” (Packet Trick w/jumbo cards)
Fred Castle’s “Magic with Giant Cards” (14 pg. booklet of jumbo card effects)
Vampire Heart – Larry Becker (Non-card effect)

Updates:
Camouflage – Magic Ronnay (Franz Rosensteiner)
Color Blind – Larry West
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Thanks to everyone's unwavering assistance & dedication on this pet project, I am proud to write this update. If there is a better or more conclusive listing of Emerson & West's product line, I am unaware of its existence. Personally, I am thrilled with the current results. It is way beyond any expectations I ever harboured on this quest. Thank you all, big time! If any changes are needed or a mistake jumps out at you, please do not hesitate to add a comment.

PACKET: Card Trick Listing

1 Add + IX - Larry West
2 Auto Suggestion - Bob Ostin
3 Bicentennial Card Trick - Nick Trost
4 Bottle Glass / Glass Bottle - Peter Kane
5 Camouflage - Magic Ronnay
6 Cash Galore - ?
7 Coin-Cidental - Arthur Emerson
8 Color Blind - Larry West
9 Color Monte - Jim Temple
10 Cut-Throat Casino - Ed Hollins
11 Dicey - Bob Ostin
12 Di-Sect-Ed Damsel - Peter Kane
13 Eight Ball - Larry West
14 Flipped Out - Ed Hollins
15 Four Card Trick - Larry West
16 Gems - Walt Maddison (this might be aka 'The Jewel Robbery' or it is a seperate trick altogether?)
17 Gourmet Mouse - Larry West
18 Gypsy Curse - Peter Kane
19 Hamman Eggs - Brother John Hamman
20 Here's How - Walt Maddison
21 Holiday Adventure - Fred Castle
22 Invisible Wand - Larry West with Al Cohen
23 Jazz Band - Peter Kane
24 Know Fu-Ling - Larry West
25 Leprechauns - ?
26 Magic Eye - Larry West
27 Mimics - Peter Kane
28 Penetra-Bill - Gene Anthony
29 Rat Traps - Bob White
30 Reflections - Peter Kane
31 Round Trip - Peter Kane
32 Sequence - Larry West
33 Shaggy Dog Tale - Larry West
34 Signature - Trevor Lewis
35 Six Mix - Larry West
36 Soup To Nuts - Jim Callan
37 Sympathetic Cards - Magic Ronnay
38 Tra-Fix - Larry West
39 Trans-Print - Bill Taylor
40 The Whole Thing - Larry West
41 Wild Wild West - Larry West

NON-PACKET:

1 Color Pack - ?
2 Cut-Off - ?
3 Flik Flik Painting Book - ?
4 Keepsake - Arthur Emerson
5 Kling Ring - ?
6 Magic With Giant Cards - Fred Castle
7 Passing The Buck - Arthur Emerson
8 Pocket Secret-Ary - Arthur Emerson
9 Stop Trick Of Tomorrow - Val Evans
10 'S Witch Craft - Arthur Emerson
11 Tell-Tale Timpiece - Arthur Emerson
12 Vampire Heart - Barry Becker

Totals: 41 + 12 = 53 TA DA!!!
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Color Pack is by Larry West
Cut-Off appears to be an Emerson & West collaboration. I have this effect and the instructions make no mention of any inventor. It simply outlines the effect first using Arthur’s method and then Larry’s method.

Can someone explain the “Leprechauns” effect? I have a card effect in my collection called Leprechauns but it is not by E&W. It is a Marcoms release. Marcom also released an effect called “The Sheik’s Bequest.”

It was mentioned earlier that magicians collect E&W just like the Tenyo effects. This is true. However, I find the E&W packet tricks more difficult to come by. :-(

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I'm not sure Glass Bottle/Bottle Glass by Peter Kane was Emerson and West. I believe Peter produced this himself (on plastic card stock) as a tribute to British comedy magician Tommy Cooper. I bought this from Peter himself and don't recall any reference to Emerson and West on the instructions, though no longer have them to check.

Similarly, I would have thought the Fred Castle stuff would more likely have been produced by Edwin Hooper and The Supreme Magic Co. If you still have the booklet (or anyone has) it would probably mention if printed by Supreme inside.

I'd forgotten about Larry Becker's Vampire Heart, but mention of it reminded me of his Haunted House packet effect. Don't think that was Emerson and West produced either, though I either bought it from Art or from Geoff Maltby at Repro Magic who usually stocked the Emerson and West line in the U.K. Larry had a different version of this in print in either "World of Super Mentalism: Vol.1 or vol. 2.

Pretty sure Kling Ring WAS Emerson and West.

Paul.
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On 2012-06-27 13:59, J M Talbot wrote:

Dragonash not sure if you are thinking of Dick Zimmerman's "Sure Thing which uses two solo cups and two dice...http://www.hanklee.org/xcart/product.php?productid=2199

John


Yes, I'm sure that's it. Mr. Emerson was demonstrating it in his booth at a TAOM. I had forgotten he was not the originator. Thank you.

In other news... Flik Flik is a small European magic coloring book type thing with five to eight changes.
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Hello Paul,

I have the Peter Kane and Fred Castle effects with the original packaging. "Holiday Adventure" and the Peter Kane effect both have "Emerson & West present" printed on them. The "Magic with Giant Cards" by Fred Castle has "Emerson and West - 1981" printed in the lower left corner on the front cover. I was going to upload images but can't get them small enough for the upload.

Did Larry Becker's Hounted House packet effect use picture cards? I collect packet tricks and I'm always on the look out for the older unique effects.

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Thanks for that info, Kirk. Maybe I had a version Peter produced himself before selling the rights to E & W? I recall using it occassionally in the late eighties at my first restaurant gig.

The Haunted House effect (if that was the title) used alphabet cards that spelled "House" then "Ghost" and eventually the cards became blank as the ghost disappeared. The later, book version of the effect did away with the required envelope, concluded with the packet being cut face up into a letter deck where the cards finally changed to read 'shock' (a packet trick that actually does have pictures of ghosts on the cards is Mark Leveridge's "Spooks").
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Kirk...sorry I can't help you much with 'Leprechauns'. Just too many versions. Most involve a single disappearing/appearing Leprechaun or pot of gold or tophat or some such thing. Btw, you've had a private message for over a week. When you sign-in, a little PM box should appear...just click it.

Dragonash...that Flik Flik book is pretty cool huh. Ever notice that the 'Alphabet' is upside down after you do the flip? Too bad we'll never know the creator of this copy of the old standard effect. My E & W edition doesn't list a name in the instructions. The instructions appear inside both covers only. Did yours include a seperate sheet by chance?

Paul...awesome books my friend! Both a great read. I've also checked-out several of your videos. Stellar performances all around. Cheers.

UPDATES:

I forgot to include 'Ace In The Case' by Larry West in the above list.

Triple Cross - Arthur Emerson (need to confirm it was an E & W release)

New Totals: 43 + 12 = 55
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