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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Two things, guys. First, did this even happen? I seem to remember the same story circulating last year. Smacks of urban myth to me. I've worked in journalism, and you don't believe a third of what you read.
Second. people don't get stuck in hypnosis. I am firmly of the view that if this actually happened they were hamming it up for attention. They are still getting it on here.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Well I can ASSURE you Tony it DOES happen they are called sleepers and the odd person can be very difficult to awaken even with all the methods. So it is possible an inexperienced hypnotist can come a cropper. My old mentor told me that in the past people have been taken to hospital and monitored because they wouldn't wake up after a stage show by inexperienced hypnotists.
Its rareish but I have had a few over the years. The FACT is it DID happen as in it made it to the press whether its happened exactly that way or not and that can only be a bad thing. Definitely bad for the hypnotist and that particular market. I woud assume the hypnotist wouldn't allow the press to write stories or report stories if it didn't happen? It took his mentor ( according to the story) an hour to travel to the show. IF THAT IS TRUE then its a long time for young teenagers to pretend to be hypnotized. I have had volunteers who were sleepers be totally unconscious for the two hour show and once had a volunteer take nearly an hour to awaken after a show. My shows last two hours in theatre format so that was a total of three hours just lying their out of it. Mind you she was deaf!But still she was sober! And when she came around she didn't where she was or recognize her boy friend. It still amazes me that hypnotists on here have never experienced this or if they have believe its being done for attention. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I have never had it happen. As a matter of fact it can't happen. You go to sleep at the WORST.
People still need to be trained how to deal with it if they want a career of any length though. Best way is to deal with it in the opening lecture, this way you generally don't end up seeing it, and if you do people are not spooked by it. And nobody mentioned the VERY effective wisper in the ear about how embarassed they will be if they don't wake up because you KNOW they are faking.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Faking for three hours? It does happen on rare occasions. And yes as far as I know it will eventually go into normal sleep. The one I mentioned was definitely not faking.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Here is a link to someone describing this happen at a work shop Which rings true for me.
http://hypnodepot.com/got-stuck-in-hypno......-get-out There are all sorts of theories about this from the hypnotee unconsciously spiting the hypnotist to initiating an unconscious process of healing where the body needs this time and won't waken until its ready. These are not my theories just theories I have heard. The guy I trained with in the 80s told me it happened to him once and a volunteer wouldn't come around. So they took her into the office away from the club noise made her comfortable and she came around eventually. She had a skin rash on side of her face and neck which had almost disappeared when she awake. He got (positive)coverage he said in the local paper because of it. I don't know how true that part is. But this does happen on a rare occasion. They may even be doing it for attention but I don't think they are doing it consciously. It may be their unconscious that's looking for attention. Who knows? And I would also say the odd person might fake it too. In fact I once had someone fake it for atention who had to be carried off stage. Bloody annoying. The audience could see he was faking and thought it was a plant to add drama! |
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
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On 2012-06-17 13:27, Pakar Ilusi wrote: Or don't be a stage hypnotist. Not without insurance. Disclaimers are put out regarding drugs, health effects etc and then there is always one person who messes it up or tries to anyway. Especially with a large group. The fakers throw even the best headfakes. You cannot always keep up with every single person.
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Tommy Vee New user Boston 15 Posts |
No one can 'get stuck in trance'. Period. There is another reason for this. The person made this choice, medication, alcohol, or just tired.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Choice can sometimes be unconscious. And a few people can be difficult to wake up. No one can get stuck in trance permanently is more accurate.
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
Seems odd that we still use terms like trance and conscious when there is no such thing. use of metaphor for clients/subjects is one thing but within our own community seems rather silly.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I would disagree James. Trance is a label for a certain condition or state of mind. If I kick your head in you will lose consciousness trust me.
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Owen Mc Ginty Special user not a stupid user, a special user. 533 Posts |
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On 2012-06-19 07:50, Zerububle wrote: I think I appreciate what you´re saying, but what do you call it just for references purposes when they have that "zoned out" look on their face (the lights are on, but nobody´s home)? I call that "hypnotic trance" simply for my own reference purposes, but I admit I don´t believe it´s the same as the "every day waking state". I don´t want to get into a debate, I´m just curious as to if and how you distinguish between one situation and the other.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Its not a metaphor either its the result of a process
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Now we are going to debate the reality of hypnosis? How fun. Oh wait no the other thing.
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
Not my intention Danny
Would be useful to understand the words we use to define our arguments though. Why worry about waking them up if they are simple not asleep to begin with |
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hypnokid Regular user 172 Posts |
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On 2012-06-19 11:41, Dannydoyle wrote: :) HK
Too much style to be a stage hypnotist.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2012-06-19 12:00, Zerububle wrote: Of course just leave them lying there flopped over a chair with their eyes closed seems sensible to me. If you don't understand the words check the dictionary trance 1 [trans, trahns] Show IPA ,noun, verb, tranced, tranc·ing. noun 1. a half-conscious state, seemingly between sleeping and waking, in which ability to function voluntarily may be suspended. 2. a dazed or bewildered condition. 3. a state of complete mental absorption or deep musing. 4. an unconscious, cataleptic, or hypnotic condition. 5. Spiritualism . a temporary state in which a medium, with suspension of personal consciousness, is controlled by an intelligence from without and used as a means of communication, as from the dead. verb (used with object) 6. to put in a trance; stupefy. 7. to entrance; enrapture. con·scious [kon-shuhs] Show IPA adjective 1. aware of one's own existence, sensations, thoughts, surroundings, etc. 2. fully aware of or sensitive to something (often followed by of ): conscious of one's own faults; He wasn't conscious of the gossip about his past. 3. having the mental faculties fully active: He was conscious during the operation. 4. known to oneself; felt: conscious guilt. 5. aware of what one is doing: a conscious liar. EXPAND Seriously James what is so difficult for you to understand? |
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
Wow. Seriously patronising as usual. Ironic really as you also come across as pathetically childish with your responses.
My point is about how you approach the subject. To jump from my point to the assumption that I would leave them slumped over a chair is moronic to say the very least. If, as hypnotists, we remove the concept that they are sleeping there is little or no reason to go through a procedure to wake them up. Most of the scientific research concludes that there is no reason to use the 'sleep' suggestion anyway. Martin S Taylor has successfully done this for years. No sleep no trance an no induction. Yet still full hypnotic phenomena. Since removing the concept of sleep he has not had any problems with people 'staying in trance' The last time I witnessed the problem (not my subject) I was asked to help and simply reminded the subject that they weren't asleep and they could stop imagining try were at any point. Which they did Again, my point was for sensible adult discussion rather than the standard MP idiotic knee jerk response. Come up guys lets keep this a little more Intellectual please James Brown |
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Owen Mc Ginty Special user not a stupid user, a special user. 533 Posts |
I'd love to see one of martins shows.....
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
Well worth it Owen. They really are excellent.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
[quote]On 2012-06-19 14:29, Zerububle wrote:
Wow. Seriously patronising as usual. Ironic really as you also come across as pathetically childish with your responses. My point is about how you approach the subject. To jump from my point to the assumption that I would leave them slumped over a chair is moronic to say the very least. If, as hypnotists, we remove the concept that they are sleeping there is little or no reason to go through a procedure to wake them up. Most of the scientific research concludes that there is no reason to use the 'sleep' suggestion anyway. Martin S Taylor has successfully done this for years. No sleep no trance an no induction. Yet still full hypnotic phenomena. Since removing the concept of sleep he has not had any problems with people 'staying in trance' The last time I witnessed the problem (not my subject) I was asked to help and simply reminded the subject that they weren't asleep and they could stop imagining try were at any point. Which they did Again, my point was for sensible adult discussion rather than the standard MP idiotic knee jerk response. Come up guys lets keep this a little more Intellectual please James Brown [/quote Somebody rattled your cage James? If anything it was your post that was idiotic. These elements still exist even if you don't understand them. From what I hear about Martin's show ( which I confess I have never seen) is that it looks very like a normal stage show with hand clasp tests etc. So there is always an induction would you like me to find you the meaning that word too? Reminding someone they are not asleep is a suggestion is it not? |
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