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Peter Evans
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Rice's Encyclopedia of Magic Volume 2 has a chapter that deals with the use of reels in silk magic.

With the variety of reels and ITRs on the market these days I was interested to know what everyone else uses for their close up performances. I have been thinking of John Kennedys Stealth Retractor / Hummingbird but am not sure whether it is approriate or strong enough so would appreciate some feedback on your experiences and recommendations. Smile
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Peter,

My first thought when I hear the words silk and reels together is Paul Diamond (Mr. Humble). I sat in his lecture at the Cavalcade of Magic in Eureka Springs about twenty-five years ago and watched him work them together. Last May I went to Florida and watched him do MC bits with a silk and a reel. It's still magic.

Ask him. He has the experience.

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Bill Hegbli
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Peter,

What you are looking for is a Finger Reel, the Stealth Retractor is something entirely different and not for the thing you mentioned.
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Bill's right (i.e.) the Kirkendall, P&L those are the only two I can think of. Honestly, you won't find one today of that quality, and I got that from a rather well known and respected magic dealer. He was honest when I inquired, as I'm very picky about stuff like that.

If you could find that Paul Diamond one, if it's not an exclusive, that's another one I just thought of, now that I've glanced at Bob's post above, hmmm (once again, assuming the Pete Biro "pondering" pose) I'm still researching.

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Check out El Duco's reel with brake. Also -- check the Kennedy Hummingbird.

And -- as Vito Lupo reminded me -- do not forget the good old straight pull without a reel.

I have also used the TUFC system for quiet a number of years of rehearsal -- and feel its 3D version might be a one-man way to do a Casper (John Calvert)

Also - check P&A silks for Peter's take on reels -- say hi to him for me as I have not been in touch with himn for about 9 months as I renovate my venue.
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Peter, wmhegbli is correct. The hummingbird reel is for stage work IMHO. If you need to fly a silk it's the way to go but for close up work a finger reel is it.

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As I understand it, you have to make do with a P&L or Kirkendall, neither of which is easy to find today.

You can do Silk Thru Mic Stand without a reel, just by tying the thread from corner to corner, and using your hands...it's not as magical looking, but I've done it in a pinch. I agree, though, a reel IS a must for silk magicians.

Just thought of this...David Copperfield's Unexplained Forces show had the most elaborate silk-flying system I've ever seen...you cannot imagine the setup, and I doubt if I could describe it. Not something you'd want to try to duplicate, but it really inspired me. They flew out of the Barclay House, and all through the theater...I still have some of the "material" that was left over. We spent HOURS setting it all up. I was backstage when they "flew", but got to see it on the monitors...

Wish I could fly silks like that, LOL!

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Copperfield's flying silks was taught to him by David Seebach who used it in his Halloween shows in Milwaukee. Neat Stuff.
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I've seen David Seebach do his flying silks.
It's a very good stage effect.
I didn't know he taught it to David Copperfield though.
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It was set up so that they went in stages...one, then the other...the team obviously had this down pat, but during "tech", I was impressed by the ingenuity...knowing the timing involved, the distance, where they turn, plus, these silks flew right out over the audiences heads! All through the theater...just a perfect ending to a "ghost" story...you COULD do this on a smaller scale, as I've built small models and tried it with Sulky, but I would not want to be guilty of contract breach, if ya know wuddamean!

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Stevens magic has been selling two reels. The Swedish reel is fairly expensive. I haven't tried either myself. You might consider three things: 1) noise, 2) the ability to open the reel and fix the mechanism and 3) a lock for serpentine silk effect.

Paul Diamond demonstrates his reel moves on a video series that came out in the last year or two.

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This is a new item at Stevens Magic. This is the reel for the Serpent Silk trick and Penatrating silk thru cane or mike stand.

http://www.stevensmagic.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=2045

This is a 1980 price, as this is what I paid for mine in 1980.
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There was also one made by Jupiter Magic from Hungary. I think Abbott's was selling them.

I talked with a gentleman who worked with George Kirkendall making the reels. This is not the same man who was advertising for awhile. There is a possibility they will be available again. I am working on it.

Oddly enough, George Kirkendall graduated from high school with my father. His father (whose flying license was signed by Orville Wright) still lived less than a 1/2 mile from my folk's farm until his death. Really a small world.

I might add that Dazzling Magic just showed me their new run of striped silks they just had reprinted. They are very good 8 momme silk great for the flying bars trick.
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Hey guys, what trick or book etc. does someone need to buy to learn how to do the antimated silk in the bottle thing that David Copperfield did on TV? The silk kind of moves it's head around different directions, as though looking for a way out and finally flies out of the mouth of the bottle.
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This isn't a rat's nest it is a multi level database! I found Paul Diamond's email address. (At my desk, that is real magic!)

It is: "paul diamond" <mrhumble@prodigy.net>

If anybody has any really good reels left it will be Paul or Bill at Haines House of Cards.

In a pinch, I have used the reel that goes on hospital ID cards. You get them in white only at nurse uniform shops. They are essentially bill snatchers with a pin on the back. However, the quality is much, much better. They are about $3.00 each! And they have been very quiet.

Scheme!

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L&L Publishing is offering all the Paul Diamond VHS videos for $10, including his "Reel Magic" vid.
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Excuse me, Bob. I failed to notice this thread was limited presumably to the prospective resolution of a three dollar problem. What I did notice was the heading, "Reel magic with silks" and some mention of David Copperfield. Now, since I don't know how the said trick works, I thought such things as "finger reels" and silks could be elements of that trick. Hence my post would be (by my admittedly uninformed assessment), at the worst case, a corollary to the topic under discussion. But you're saying, even so, this post should be somewhere other than here. So, what I'm wondering at this point is whether or not we can be specific rather than merely relegate my inquiry to somewhere other that the current thread of this multi level, non rat's nest database, while avoiding the temptation to respond with the obvious?
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I believe Bob was referring to his desk (and if he is a good mentalist he was also referring to my desk) when he referred to "this isn't a rat's nest it is a multi level database." I don't know him personally but I have never seen any negativity in his responses.

As far as reels are concerned, the other guys would know a whole lot more than I do. About a month ago, I found out that Petrick and Mia have a new reel ($77) that is supposed to be very quiet and strong. It also comes with a couple of different clips to vanish silks, cards, coins, credit cards, etc. It is not up on their site yet but you can contact them about it.

I recently bought Paul Diamond's video "Symphonette in Silk" (L&L sale for $10 as mentioned by Jim) and it is basically an explanation of his silk routine. I do plan to get his "Reel Magic" video as well based on recommendations here. I would definitely recommend not getting a cheap reel if you plan to use it frequently. I think I paid $40 or $45 for mine from Tannen's and twice it broke on me. I am looking around for a replacement. But Bob is right, in a pinch use a cheaper one --- it works. And I do use a pull for a simple yet quick vanish. The feedback here has been helpful. Thanks to all!

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Jascx,

I too thought this forum was about Reel Magic with Silks. Therefore, after searching through the rubble at my desk (a rat's nest) I found Paul Diamond's email address for those posting and searching for good reels and an expert on reel magic with silks. Paul Diamond is both. His skill with the objects greatly outdates David Copperfield, assuming you are referring to the stage magician rather than literature.

The three-dollar emergency fix is a reel available from nurse uniform suppliers. It is not the recommended gimmick for long-term use. Those of us with over forty years on the road have had a few emergencies in our magical lives. Some even seek solutions. (Incidentally, Kirkendall reels came in white. I have two. However, they were well over $3.00 each. Unfortunately, I have had them become the emergency before.)

We do appreciate your interest in off topic posts. If you do run across them, the preferred procedure to follow is to report them by PM to me or anyone else on staff here at The Magic Café and we will gladly evaluate the fit and make any moves Quality Control finds appropriate. The staff has years of experience resolving that problem. It is a daily task here on The Magic Café. Topics do evolve into other topics at times.

At this point in time I neither agree with your accusation that I said, “But you're saying, even so, this post should be somewhere other than here.” nor that the post is a switch to $3.00 problems. It looks like a true failure to communicate. Perhaps a second reading would help.

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Fascinating. Even though your post immediately follows mine, it is entirely non responsive. I see I made several mistakes here, first the assumption that you responded to my post, second, that the response was intended as an insult (a product of the excessive time I spend in political newsgroups), third that it proposed a more narrow topic range than was reasonable. I apologize for all of those things Bob. Think I'll delete this and the prior post. And you know very well I wasn't referring to the literary work. Smile
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