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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts |
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On 2012-06-25 21:19, motown wrote: Ah, I see! You want to argue for free speech by telling me not to exercise that right. Brilliant! Quote:
On 2012-06-25 21:19, motown wrote: You really think all adults are more than capable of determining what's right and wrong? Then why do we have laws against pedophilia, murder, rape, incest, robbery, murder? Apparently there are some adults who have trouble telling right from wrong... Either way, I can't argue with you on this. Your post makes no sense whatsoever... Besides, I said what I wanted to say and I'm happy with that. SEY |
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JustJoshinMagic Special user Montreal, QC 965 Posts |
Personally I think that the effects shown in the trailer look interesting. While this might not be a package I open in the elevator on the way back to my dorm due to the cover, I'm not gunna let the name stop me from learning what looks like some pretty decent coin magic. I for one will be picking this up eventually
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Mb217 Inner circle 9519 Posts |
Interesting, seems like those that don't like this would have all not like it and or have access to it behind what they say for themselves. Those that like it, seem to speak only for themselves as to not letting the name stop them from what's better inside, and don't much say others should get it or not. Just an observation.
Also, while I understand the point about us being adults, really we are nothing more than big kids most times the way we act - Just watch politics to see clear enough. You can't change people's minds about what they want, all you can do is not let them have it if you have the power to. Powerful people have done that in the past and it seems never to work out all that well, no matter the intention. "To each his own" seems an always working way to allow others to be who they are and to learn what they need to learn as to this & that. Now, that sort of approach seems to work a lot better as people better ease into whatever it is and are not yoked and pulled this way or that because that's the way a driver decides upon. Like I said above, I would get rid of all tobacco and alcohol because of all the strife it causes people. But then there are those that enjoy it and it causes no great problem for them and so they say it should be a choice, even if they know it gets the better of most people to their detriment. It don't matter because that's what they want to do and they feel they should have the right to do it no matter any effect on others and the society. You can argue this stuff back and forth all day long, good lawyers and elected officials do it all the time from whatever position they hold or side they're on. Sometimes it's not about what's right or wrong or best for people, but about what's right or wrong or best to you. Interesting.
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Rubiales New user El Puerto de Santa Maria 89 Posts |
I'm very interested In canÃbal coins biography, please.
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
I HAVE Two Canible coins Handleings! I will have look them up to see where thay are in print At !
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Rubiales New user El Puerto de Santa Maria 89 Posts |
Of who is the original idea?
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kenodad Regular user 141 Posts |
"To each his own" is a moral perspective that is contrary to "there should be limitations." Those seem to be the two sides of the moral argument here. We have all kinds of discussions on this forum about crediting, intellectural rights, etc., that are moral in nature, so there is no reason we can't discuss this "moral issue" as well. From a marketing persepective, it is unwise to name a product that will offend (and therefore limit) ANY part of your market share; and lets face it, much of the magic community is older men with wives and children, who will not want their kids exposed to that kind of language or whose wives will not approve. And as a general principle, we have rules and limitations in every other arena of our experience (science, driving, sports, social interaction, etc); why not morally (and the words we use)?; having moral limitations (or principles of ethics) only fits with our experience as humans. Words are powerful because they define our beliefs and perspective. Careless use of words has destroyed relationships and started wars; thoughtful use of words can heal and unite. This thread is a perfect example of disunity created by one word in the title of a DVD. To those who want to say "Oh, it doesn't matter," are not observing well. And in our arena, words can change an interesting puzzle into a never-forgotten experience; contrast David Blaine's words (or lack thereof) with David Copperfield's.
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
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On 2012-06-26 10:26, Rubiales wrote: As Far As I know I came up with it In 1993. I had A Handleing That was in my Silver and the Pasteboards Notes Pg 7. It was A vanish of Mult. coins Two coins Go into the hand And are Eaten By a Copper coin. Then 3 coins go into the hand and are eaten by a copper coin. Then 6 coins go into the hand And are eaten by a copper coin! the Magicion Notes that the Cannibal coin looks a litter Fatter now, And brings it in to view Revealing That it has Swollen to Jumbo size! Also in my Heavy Work Made Easy Notes! Pg. 17. ( 1995) I had a 2 th Handlleing It was jusy a vary easy Vanish Of 4 coins one at a time. And then at the end they all 4 reapeared back in the coin purse! So mostly it was just Patter About 4 Halfs geting eaten By a 1 in. chinese Coin! I took the idal From Lin Searles Cannable cards From the Fifties! (( for more on this see Kabbala Volume 3, Number 10, Page 128!) Ok so that's all Can tell you (unless Some one has a date that pre-dates 1993!) Ok thanks Gang! |
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Pecan_Creek Veteran user The Nation of TEXAS! 323 Posts |
Short of them breaking the law. Which they haven't done...
To say that men with chidren are always going to be offended is a narrow and I suggest outdated pardigm. Men are the protectors of their women and children? What is this 1843? You aren't a real man if you don't fight to get the f word banned? Words don't harm people, Ignorance does. The principle that I go with it this. They can name their DVD whatever they want. If no one buys it that's their problem. That is free market econ 101. I find it funny that most "family values" people are also big manifest destiny free market types, but only if they get to control the content of the market. Not trying to change anyones opinion. Just trying to explain so that those on the other side can gain an understanding. Society cannot be based on hammering other people into your mold. It can only be built by mutual respect for others view points no matter how silly they may appear to you. Everyone has the right to an opinion. Where I think the censorship crowd has it wrong is that they take it one step futher trying to ban someone else's free speech. I repeat, I am not saying you cannot state you opinion on an internet forum and have never said so on this or any other thread. Where I think the ney sayers go wrong is the attempt to ban or censor. If you don't like it don't buy it. Maybe your hair cut offends me. Should I start a campaign to ban your products? Wish you ill? Naw, I'm not your keeper. BTW comparing pedophilia to naming a stupid magic DVD F%$^ , well... |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9519 Posts |
Hey, I know it's been said here that this is "Strictly Low Class...
Derivative Works with no plots, substance or real value." But not for nothing, some of their stuff is pretty darn cool and quite cleverly done. I'm just sayin' Who needs cards? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3ZNmwTPeWY&feature=relmfu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0Rp4ewiMdg&feature=relmfu Just asking but, anybody here doing stuff like this?
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kenodad Regular user 141 Posts |
Pecan Creek: Please read a bit more carefully and try to follow the argument. I didn't say ALL men with children, but MANY will be offended (as validated by several responses in this thread) and that is my point, economically: why eliminate a portion of your market, just by the name of your product?
YES, men are the protectors of their women and children; that is what the men, women and children all want; have you ever watched a "chick flick"? or a "guy flick" where the man is the hero and saves the day and gets the girl: popular in 1843 and still popular today; speaks to the reality of men, women, children and the relationship among and between them. "You aren't a real man if you don't fight to get the f word banned?" I didn't say that, but I would say you aren't a real man if you don't fight for the principles of right and wrong and fight to protect your children. You brought up pedophilia; I would say you are not a real man if you don't fight to get pedophilia banned. That is a perfect example of how rules and limits define how we think: pedophilia is wrong; a rule a limit has been created. I am arguing that the same holds true with public communication. We have rules and laws against slander (disrespecting another), and in every other realm of our lives (as I argued earlier); it seems logical and sensible to have rules and laws about the language we use in public; that is my argument. "Not trying to change anyones opinion"...? Oh but you are: "Words don't harm people, Ignorance does." I say words DO harm people and I gave good examples (hurtful words can ruin relationships and start wars) "Everyone has the right to an opinion." I agree, but I argue that not everyone's opinion is right or should be acted upon. "Where I think the ney sayers go wrong is the attempt to ban or censor." I say there should be rules of communication to protect our children, as reasonably argued above. "Naw, I'm not your keeper." I think we are all each others "keeper"; a society where individuals can do whatever they want with no accountability is destined for disaster. |
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Senor Rubiales,
The first magician I ever saw do a "Cannibal Coins" routine was an old friend of mine. He was a teenager in high school at the time, and he showed me two silver coins that "ate" one coin, and then, took a "bite" out of another. (I think, it was a long time ago) I thought it was very clever, and promising. He thought it was unfinished, and didn't like it. The reason I mentioned it in this thread previously is because he's the guy who posted right before me. "Spackle666" said he made the coins over 20 years ago. On the other hand, I am not surprised that David has explored this plot with coins. I doubt he ever never saw this version.
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SmileAndNod Veteran user 316 Posts |
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On 2012-06-26 14:08, Mb217 wrote: I love that one handed matrix. First time I saw it on the Chad Long dvd it blew me away. |
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Hi Curtis ,
Do you Know if he ever Put his Handleing in print??? |
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
Regarding Cannibal Coins, there's one on Sankey's Revolutionary Coin Technique, isn't there?
Regarding placing limits on language used in public, if we're moving beyond yelling "fire" in a crowded theater and into profanity, then that's a nice first step towards fascism.
JACK, the Jolly Almanac of Card Knavery, a free card magic resource for beginners.
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
"Sankey's Revolutionary Coin Technique" So do we know when that was put out?
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kenodad Regular user 141 Posts |
Burnbury Kid: Huh? Fascism? Where did that come from? You don't limit the language you use in public versus private? You don't think people should guard their language around children? There are already laws in place about what can be said on public television; is that fascism? We, as a group, decide our laws; that is democracy. Fascism is if an authoritarian leader makes the laws on his own. Both systems have laws.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Is there a squeaky type noisemaker that makes a burp sound?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
I have not seen one!
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
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On 2012-06-26 20:10, kenodad wrote: "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner." If we consider freedom of speech, and freedom in general, to be a virtue, we need to consider that sometimes the bad speech we tolerate is the price we pay in order to make sure we don't limit the good speech. The line obviously needs to get drawn when exercising the freedom unfairly impinges upon the freedom of others (such as yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, as that can have deadly consequences), but if we're talking about somebody using a word that somebody else believes their precious little angel shouldn't have to hear? Please. Take some responsibility, educate your kid that sometimes people say things that are objectionable, realize that nobody's actually getting hurt, and move on to something else. Comparisons here to things like child pornography and pedophilia are in and of themselves grossly offensive because they trivialize legitimately terrible actions by comparing them to something innocuous like somebody using a cuss word. It's the mark of an intellectual eunuch. In a free-thinking society, it's also pointless to try to suppress it, because unless brainwashing is involved, free thought will win the day, and trying to cut kids off from the bad words will only serve to give those bad words more mystique. The only way to truly do away with these awful words, if that is the ultimate goal, is to adopt a more fascist attitude towards the way we socially conduct ourselves. I can live with concessions for something like the swear-filter on the Magic Café, because that's owned, operated and paid for by a private entity. But the nature of this conversation here? Ridiculous.
JACK, the Jolly Almanac of Card Knavery, a free card magic resource for beginners.
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