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granterg Special user 593 Posts |
I have had some particapants recently who have deliberately tried to mess me up during performance.
Do you think it is okay to express your anger and frustration toward a spectator when he or she is deliberately refusing to follow instructions and being rude? Does anyone here have a war story they could tell? Thanks, granterg |
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MichaelCGM Inner circle Oklahoma City 2286 Posts |
Quote: No. One can express the need to remain focussed and follow instructions, even firmly - but expressing anger and frustration is unprofessional.On 2012-06-27 00:21, granterg wrote: Do you think it is okay to express your anger and frustration toward a spectator when he or she is deliberately refusing to follow instructions and being rude? |
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Chaz93 Inner circle Texas 1754 Posts |
Why are they deliberately trying to mess you up? How can you change your presentation and project a character that no one would consider trying to mess up?
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Leonardo Martins New user Brazil 83 Posts |
Wait until the point at which people become interested in presenting uncomfortable with the nasty, only then take action. You need political support at these times.
Be a step up in education, and you always have the support of the audience. |
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gypsyfish Veteran user 383 Posts |
No war story, but why don't you just dismiss them. Politely tell them that you need a cooperatve participant (or one that can follow instructions better) and have them return to their seats. Don't show anger and couch the dismissal in it being best for the audience.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
What kind of an environment are you performing in? On a stage, for friends, for strangers on the street, etc. Also, may I ask how old you are and the approximate ages of the audiences you are having trouble with?
And, finally, how long have you been doing mentalism and what effects are they giving you trouble with? Then maybe I can give you a constructive answer. |
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phillsmiff Inner circle UK 1794 Posts |
Stay cool and classy, I've had a number of people give me crap over the years - it is rare but for some reason it happens.
Think of the money, stay calm and *professional*, and remember that you can always send them back to their seat or move on to the next table.
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parmenion Inner circle Switzerland/Zürich 3988 Posts |
Hit him! Learn brasilian jujitsu! break his arm, borrow a knife and cut him of a finger and said now you can say you're a yakuza!
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C.J. Inner circle There's a lotta rambling in my 2366 Posts |
Learn pickpocketing. They'll take your effect, and you'll take their watch and wallet. Good deal!
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
Give them enough rope to hang themselves then strike through the audience as your defenders
Or turn them into allies Try not to perform for heavily intoxicated people if you can help it Last resort - start knitting in front of the audience until the heckler shuts up
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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bevbevvybev Inner circle UK 2672 Posts |
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On 2012-06-27 01:44, mastermindreader wrote: This. |
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RichardShure Veteran user 344 Posts |
As has already been stated by Bob Cassidy, to fully answer the question more information needs to be aquired.
However, in the big picture, it comes down to a few factors: 1. Was the performer clear in his instructions? I have seen more than once a performer get tripped up because thier instructions were ambigous or confusing. Then everyone gets furstrated. 2. Is the performer likable and enjoyable or . . . arrogant and self-rightous . . . the later invites challenges. 3. Is your audience drunk, rowdy, or distracted? They won't want to pay attention to some little slips of paper. 4. Is the performer boring? That can invite some openings form a mischievous audience. 5. Is the performer nervous? See 4 above. 6. Can the performer be heard? Bad sound has caused many a failure. See 3 above. Too many times in books and in these forums everyone thinks the answer is a very clever heckler stopper. That is seldom the answer. But there are a few rare times you just have to ask security to remove a troublesome guest. |
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12943 Posts |
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On 2012-06-27 00:21, granterg wrote: No. Rethink the audience you play to. Rethink your actions. If they do this stand back and wait. They will comply soon. J |
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Sean Giles Inner circle Cambridge/ UK 3517 Posts |
Never express anger. It's the quickest way to get everyone against you. If it's a case of a participant who either isn't interested or is being intentionally disruptive just tell them
"Actually, I have something near the end that you would be perfect for, just take a seat for now and I'll come back to you later" then forget all about them best, Sean |
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eSamuels Inner circle 3085 Posts |
A response to Bob's questions are necessary before providing you with a relevant response.
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thorin_10 New user Bilbao, Basque Country 58 Posts |
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On 2012-06-27 01:44, mastermindreader wrote: That's the quid of the question. |
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granterg Special user 593 Posts |
From the end of last year, I have been performing close up for some family members and friends around my age in the early thirties and mid twenties and recently doing a routine with an ID (the Scanner).
It is a great ID, but the problem with spectators is sometimes they want to do what ever they feel like with the pad you give them, and they feel entitled to write on any page of the pad they so desire. When I notice a spectator trying to flip through my pad and write wherever they desire, I caution them to please stop as I do have personal information there for only me to see. I find that this helps a bit. Thanks, granterg |
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thorin_10 New user Bilbao, Basque Country 58 Posts |
First of all, when using an ID, you should NEVER give importance to it. If you do it, you are killed. The ID must be forgotten.
In your example, it is like: put the card here / why there? I want to put it here / no, put it here. This kind of situation will always play against you. If you don't achieve what you want or need they to do, you must be able to continue somehow. They don't know what are you supposed to do. Do you want to write there? Ok. I will change the technique and I will, even so, kick your ass!!! (this is for you, don't say it at loud) Hope this helps |
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RichardShure Veteran user 344 Posts |
Granterg,
There is always a challenge when performing mental pieces for friends and family because they work from a premise that you are faking it. Unfortuntaly they will tend to look at your performance as cute little stunts. Therefor they will try and mess you up. As for the pad, they already know this is not something you usually have/use, (they know you too well and they assume everything is suspect) it must be a magic-y prop. Let's mess with it. Remember the old saying, "A prophet in his own land" I think you will get better results when you perform for those that don't know you. I remeber back many years ago when I was starting and I had a couple of friends and family members that were deserving a shovel against the head. |
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TonyBrand Special user Chicago, IL 507 Posts |
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I remeber back many years ago when I was starting and I had a couple of friends and family members that were deserving a shovel against the head. Now that we can agree on. |
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