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MrWizard Inner circle Conjured The Illusion Of 1039 Posts |
Anyone know what the card backs look like on the Zener Cards currently being sold by Rhine Institute. If someone has a pic of the new style backs that would be great.
I know the old ones had small stars and also seen Hanes backs but what they have now I don't know maybe just white now. http://rhinecenter.org/shoppingcart/inde......cts_id=2 Thanks in advance Richard
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TonyBrand Special user Chicago, IL 507 Posts |
I would be interested in knowing this myself. I planned on picking up a set soon, so I will give you my impressions when they arrive.
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Don Theo III shared some cool stuff with me ... perhaps he can share here. I'm designing a newer deck for use with THE KEYMASTER.
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DT3 Inner circle Hill Valley 1920 Posts |
"Rhine's work was brought forcibly to public attention in the fall of 1937 with the simultaneous broadcast of a series of ESP experiments sponsored by the Zenith Radio Corporation and the publication of New Frontiers of the Mind, a popular book which was chosen as a main selection by the Book of the Month Club. The first manufactured ESP cards were produced, offered to Zenith listeners and Book of the Month Club members, and advertised for sale by Farrar and Rinehart, the book's publishers."
Above cited from http://library.duke.edu/rubenstein/findingaids/paralab/ And then there is this: In 1939, Rhine learned that the toy company Cadaco-Ellis was planning to come out with a game called Telepathy. The creator was said to be a psychologist named Dr. Ogden Reed. J. B. Rhine suspected and confirmed that Reed was really Dr. Louis D. Goodfellow, a Northwestern University psychologist who had been hired by the Zenith Radio Corporation in 1937 to conduct ESP tests on the radio. Rhine had been hired as a consultant for that same program, and he had had no end of trouble with Goodfellow. Rhine felt Goodfellow had not inserted sufficient controls into the experiment and had made mistakes with the math. Goodfellow was eventually let go. Goodfellow apparently had hard feelings toward Rhine because in the pamphlet that came with the game he wrote, “Dr. Rhine’s first experiments were full of loopholes. For example, it was found that the ink with which the cards were printed caused the paper to shrink, etc.” As far as I know, the example Goodfellow gave was untrue, and while like any experiment, problems with Rhine’s initial experiments had to be identified and addressed, Goodfellow’s bringing it up in this way does feel a little like payback. Commander Eugene F. McDonald, the head of Zenith, was so incensed by what Goodfellow had written that he told Rhine that he should bring action against Cadaco-Ellis and that he, McDonald, would foot the bill. Rhine, meanwhile, had written Goodfellow and asked, “Is it proper for an academic man to use a surreptitious approach (in this case, an assumed name) to avoid having to meet the responsibility for the things he is expressing?” Goodfellow answered that the company did use “a number of my own expressions,” however the creation of a Dr. Ogden Reed was the toy company’s idea, not his. Rhine answered that he had two signed statements from people in a position to know that Goodfellow was the sole author of the statement penned by “Dr. Ogden Reed.” If they removed the controversial matter, Rhine told him, they’d have no problem, “poor as its design really is” for telepathy. But if they released the game as is, they’d “take steps to bring you out in full light as author of an underhand attack and as party to setting up a fake “authority” as a psychologist.” The rest of the above fascinating article can be found here: http://www.echonyc.com/~horn/unbelievable/?p=1275 Original decks of these cards sometimes pop up on auction sites, but whether or not you acquire the Zenith cards, all of this is great back story, and "the feud" allows itself to many presentations. D. Click here to view attached image. |
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MrWizard Inner circle Conjured The Illusion Of 1039 Posts |
Wow that is a fascinating story. So that is why they are called Zener cards I guess very interesting. Do you know what the backs of the original Zenth cards looked like? How do you know which are the real deal original ones. Would they be the ones with the small stars or even the red Hanes backs?
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TonyBrand Special user Chicago, IL 507 Posts |
DT3,
Just wanted to thank you for posting this. I was unaware of back story related to these cards. After seeing the image you attached, I'd like to get a deck of Rhine cards and see if I can give them that "aged" appearance. of course, I have no idea where to begin, but it should be a fun learning process. Slim, I'm interested to see what you come up with. |
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DT3 Inner circle Hill Valley 1920 Posts |
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On 2012-06-28 14:35, MrWizard wrote: Mr. Wizard, they have the Zenith brand name printed on them. Sean Waters visited the Institute a couple of years ago and may have more information on the backs. A brief google image search just now proved unfruitful as to the back designs. Tony, if you poke around in the bizarre section, they have a few good threads on aging cards. Unfortunately, I haven't found any already aged, apart from legitimate vintage sets. Hope this helps. D |
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Waters Inner circle 2508 Posts |
I was there a few weeks ago. I was given a set of Zener cards. They look the same!
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
The more I read about this the more I see they shafted Rhine every chance they got!!!!
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-06-28 14:35, MrWizard wrote: The fact that Zenith was involved is NOT why they are called Zener cards. The cards were names for Dr. Rhine's colleague, perceptual psychologist Dr. Karl Zener who designed the cards for Rhine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zener_cards |
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Waters Inner circle 2508 Posts |
... They can be purchased for $20 from the Rhine Center shop!
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Andre Hagen Inner circle 1432 Posts |
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On 2012-06-28 14:35, MrWizard wrote: The reason they are called Zener decks is because they were first designed by Dr. Karl E. Zener at Duke University for Dr. Rhine, who made minor changes in at least one card. Andre
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I'm having deja vu!
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DT3 Inner circle Hill Valley 1920 Posts |
Quote: On 2012-06-28 16:03, mastermindreader wrote: |
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Andre Hagen Inner circle 1432 Posts |
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On 2012-06-28 16:03, mastermindreader wrote: Sorry Bob! Jumped down to quote and answer before reading further. My apologies. Rarely would I ever miss one of your posts. Andre
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I'm just having some fun, Andre!
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Andre Hagen Inner circle 1432 Posts |
I thought so. At least now readers will know Dr. Zener's middle initial.
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C.J. Inner circle There's a lotta rambling in my 2366 Posts |
I recently added a deck of Beyond ESP 3 to my collection. Two decks of 25, one with a plain black panel on the back, the other red. And marked. Played about with them a bit with a few friends and was very impressed with the reaction. Was even more amused that the best reactions I got came from only actually matching 3 of the 5 symbols laid down by a participant. Accidentally misread the cards, but for some reason the reveal of miss, miss, hit-hit-hit drew gasps of astonishment. And that's why I love mentalism so dearly!
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On 2012-06-28 17:35, C.J. wrote: Great observation. Too perfect is often suspect. A real mind reader would never be right on 100% of the time. Think how often we misread things in everyday life. Even though we can read we sometimes make simple mistakes.
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DT3 Inner circle Hill Valley 1920 Posts |
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On 2012-06-28 18:23, Slim King wrote: My apologies if my mentions of the Zenith sponsorship caused any confusion regarding Dr. Zener. Secondly the too perfect/3 out of 5 aspect of the deck should be discussed downstairs. I am happy to discuss history of the deck here but once we start discussing utilization of the deck then we need to either go private or down to IT. One thing I find interesting is that many mentalists use Zener cards in their routines and the verbiage is often based on info they found from wikipedia or the first or second link generated from the same google search. Borrring. Take some time and dig into the history of these cards and a treasure trove of presentational appeoaches are there in waiting. |
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