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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On 2012-08-27 04:57, NYNick wrote: Mindless dogmatism without thought is wrong. And anyone who wants to end a discussion because he is afraid his cherished 'beliefs' might be challenged is just exposing the paucity of his experience and thought. We will end the discussion when we see fit, not when you tell us. Anyway, Slim King still has a few more u-turns to do.
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Exposure is Wrong. End of Discussion!!!!!
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On 2012-08-28 02:30, Slim King wrote: There it is - the latest u-turn. So now Penn and Teller are wrong to expose the cups and balls? How come they were right yesterday - different phase of the moon? We have an expression in Ireland. When you are in a hole, stop digging.
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Kenn Capman Regular user Southwestern Michigan 196 Posts |
I've seen more exposure committed by performers who were under prepared than I have on television or the internet. (Yet we continue to tolerate and sometimes encourage these people)
Since most people nowadays are paying for their cable/internet/satellite programming, is there such a thing as 'exposure for free?' (Still curious how the dollar amount enters into it) Were we victims of 'exposure' when someone taught us our first effects? (If exposure is always bad, then we are all victims) I have never heard a musician complain about people knowing scales, chords and keys. Never heard a painter complain that too many people learned about the color wheel or scrumbling from PBS. It has been said that magicians are guarding an empty safe. (Jim Steinmeyer, I believe)
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On 2012-08-28 07:42, TonyB2009 wrote: Where did I say it was OK for Penn and Teller to expose something they didn't invent or get permission to expose? I hold them to the same standard as your Masked Magician friend.
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NYNick New user 90 Posts |
Tony it is not mindless.Just my opinion that's all. End of discussion for me not for you. SOrry if it sounds wrong. No harm meant.
~NYN
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On 2012-08-28 10:53, Kenn Capman wrote: I wish that last paragraph could be tatooed on the back of every magician's hand, as a reminder of how a certain small amount of exposure is vital to keep new blood coming into the art. Slim King of course never read a book, watched a DVD, or attended a lecture. He invented it all from scratch himself. The rest of us got where we are today because some more experienced people decided to expose a bit of the art to us. A bit THANK YOU to those exposers. As for Slim King's question, when did he ever say it was all right for Penn and Teller to expose something they had not invented: How about here? Quote:
On 2012-08-24 13:07, Slim King wrote: Unless Penn and Teller are a number of millennia older than they let on, they did not invent the Cups and Balls. Slim King, you really need to keep track of your u-turns, or you run the risk of further embarrassing yourself.
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Exactly my point ... You omit the MULTIPLE TIMES I said that they needed permission to reveal something they did not invent. I can't prove they didn't get that permission from whomever currently owns the rights to Cups and Balls. If they expose their Rocket illusion, then that is up to them. I have no idea if they have obtained the rights to expose the Cups and Balls ...Do you?????
If they are stealing it, then they are thieves!!!! Pretty simple really... But your attempts to derail this thread are quite obvious and you and Keith know better ...
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Kenn Capman Regular user Southwestern Michigan 196 Posts |
So, who does own the rights to cups and balls? How about linking rings? Maybe the inventor of the card force should get involved?
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Jim Sparx Inner circle Far Out, Texas 1144 Posts |
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On 2012-08-28 17:59, Kenn Capman wrote: For the cups and balls, that belongs to Harry Ballzitch and his wife, Cups, who toured the Middle East, circa 1107 BC, under the auspices of the William Morris Agency. Linking Rings? Probably Pete Biro would know that.
Et tu, Spartacus?
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Slim King, give it up. You will get dizzy from all the turning you are doing. A different version of your views with every post! Remarkable.
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Jim-Callahan V.I.P. 5018 Posts |
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On 2012-08-28 20:51, TonyB2009 wrote: So what is your truth? You for spreading your magic legs if they place a buck in your pocket? Oh or are you good with doing it for free because it makes ya feel good? J Ack H.O.A-X
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On 2012-08-28 21:33, Jim-Callahan wrote: My position has consistently been the same. I believe that people should write books and produce DVDs. I will share my knowledge with interested people, but not with casual enquirers. I share with fellow magicians. I don't share with the man on the street. But I have written a beginners book for them, to give them a starting point. Magic is already the poor relation of the entertainment industry. Very few people give us respect. The silly posturings of guys like Slim King do us no favours. Especially when he can't even stick to one opinion for long. I've worn socks for longer than he has stuck to one view!
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I will continue to support the IBM and SAM and how they respect the magicians code. However, Tony, no matter how hard you try, a Masked Magician wannabe, like yourself, makes me sick!
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Chris H Inner circle Melbourne, Australia 1364 Posts |
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On 2012-08-28 17:14, Slim King wrote: My knowledge of copyright law isn't great, but I believe that copyright on creative works only applies for fifty years following the death of the creator/author/artist, although there was some Disney related dispute that I think may have extended that time period (Walt Disney died in 1966, and under the old laws his creations (such as Mickey Mouse) would pass into public domain in 2016). Regardless, the cups and balls routine and the methods used to perform it ARE in public domain, so Penn & Teller need no such permission. In any case Dave, the first time you mentioned your endorsement of Penn & Teller's exposure, you never mentioned anything about them needing permission. Your only condition was that they receive remuneration (in the form of ticket sales) for their exposure. Remember? Quote:
On 2012-08-24 13:07, Slim King wrote: It wasn't until two days later, after you were asked repeatedly to clarify your statement, that you threw in the clause about them requiring permission. Cheers, Chris |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
You asked me to clarify and I did ... it's what I've always said all along ... You can reveal it if you own the rights or if it's your own invention or creation. But you and your friends are low life's of the wort kind by revealing secrets that you aren't smart enough to come up with on your own. Your friend the Masked Magician never had an original idea in his life and made money by selling what never belonged to him. My Bad if your mind can't wrap itself around such an ethical concept .. But since you were kicked off the Caf� for revealing secrets before I see it wouldn't bother you now.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On 2012-08-28 22:35, Slim King wrote: Back to name-calling. Must be a new phase of the moon. I can't recall anyplace saying I want to be like the Masked Magician. No one said anything like that here, at least not on these pages. Perhaps in your fevered and spinning mind. Maybe you should sit down for a while and try to collect your thoughts. They are going all over the place! Still, it is amusing every morning to switch on the computer and see your new spin on what you said a few days previously. Luckily most of us don't take gadflys like you too seriously.
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Russell Davidson Inner circle Hampshire, England 1108 Posts |
Magic is entertainment. Penn & Tellers version of the Cups & Balls is very entertaining. No-one owns it so they can do what they like. Even with the clear cups I doubt a non magician could follow it. I certainly couldn't & I also missed the final load!
Slim - all you seem to do is moan. You're a nobody yet you seem to think you can slag off the likes of Penn & Teller. If it's not them then it's James Randi for not giving you a million dollars for some BS claim that you're Mr Paranormal. You stand alone with your viewpoint. Perhaps that should tell you something? |
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Chris H Inner circle Melbourne, Australia 1364 Posts |
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On 2012-08-29 00:51, Slim King wrote: But that's not what you said Dave. As I've quoted numerous times, your only condition when you admitted to endorsing exposure was that money be exchanged for the reveal of a secret. It wasn't until afterwards that you added the condition of "acquiring permission". In the case of P&T's cups and balls routine, you seemed perfectly happy for non magicians to learn the secret, providing they had paid money to do so. Which opens up a whole new can of worms, as Kenn has pointed out above, and as I mentioned earlier (see the reference to the masked magician tape which is available for purchase - according to your original conditions that is a perfectly legitimate product). Quote:
On 2012-08-29 00:51, Slim King wrote: Dave, I'm prepared to have a discussion with you, as adults, but I won't resort to name calling and ad hominem attacks. If that's what works for you, then fine, but don't expect those kind of responses from me. Quote:
On 2012-08-29 00:51, Slim King wrote: I don't recall all the details of the particular incident, but if memory serves, I busted you trying to peddle magic tricks to a paranormal podcast. Wasn't it something to do with you claiming to predict an event that had already happened, but not reported in the media? You read it on the JREF forum, I think, and then tried to sell it as some form of psychic/paranormal "prediction" on an online radio show? Apologies if the details are a little sketchy, but it was quite a few years ago, and it's not something I consider particularly important. In any case, if you want to play "who has been exhiled from the Café for the longest", I can quite confidently state that you trump me hands down. I don't see what relevance that has to the current discussion? |
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
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On 2012-07-01 16:37, TonyB2009 wrote: Well, I repectfully disagree. I was embarrassed beyond belief when performing "Prohibition" by Charlie Justice at the Lani Kai in Ft. Myers several years ago. Because of the Masked Magician. A guy was all too happy to explain the method! I quit using that until recently. Didn't matter. I was never invited back to do another magic show. Maybe because I was a lame performer, I don't know. Quote:
He didn't expose any current secrets, or the creative work of guys still living - the proof of that was that no one sued. I gotta tell ya, I just did Prohibition again, here in Augusta. Someone had a cell phone, got on YouTube...there it was. A permanent reminder... I did the color changing handkerchief...again, YouTube and the Masked Moron! Exposed it for all! These people have a big screen TV with internet. There I was, red-faced. Ya know what they said? "Give it up, Doug...your magic just ain't magic no mo'..." I have taken a completely different direction. In fact, if this keeps up, I am going to quit performing, and become just a collector. It ain't worth the embarrassment. No I am not a pro. Barely an amateur that loves (loved) magic. Time for a change... Doug |
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