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Greg the Great New user Massachusetts 39 Posts |
What is the difference, if any, between the air-cushion finish found on Bikes, and the cambric finish found on Bees. I took two brand new decks and compared them for handling and noticed very slim difference. Is there even a difference though. I figured "the workers" would be the best guys and gals to ask.
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Mobius303 Inner circle Lakewood, Ohio 1309 Posts |
Cambric finishes seem to last longer for me when the cards in play for an hour or more.
Though that may be a result of the cards I have been using as to their thickness which adds or subtracts from the durability factor as well. The feel is negligible in my work though just the durability is different. I can do the same things right out of the box with both of those finishes. Hope that helps a bit. |
Greg the Great New user Massachusetts 39 Posts |
Thanks mike, I thought they felt the same, and just wanted to see if others felt the same way.
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts |
I'll bet you the definitive expert here would be Jason England.
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panlives Inner circle 2087 Posts |
Much depends on the year the cards rolled off the press.
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panlives Inner circle 2087 Posts |
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On 2012-07-01 18:39, Steven Youell wrote: Agreed. Hope he sees this and comments.
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DelMagic Special user 719 Posts |
There is no difference between the cambric and air-cushion finish. However, there is likely a stock (paper) difference between the two decks. Bee paper comes in two grades, regular Bee stock and Bee Casino stock. The Casino stock is stiffer. A notch below Bee in quality/stiffness would be the Aristocrat stock. Down at the bottom is the 325 stock used for regular Bicycle cards. Both types of Bee stock are far stiffer than regular Bicycle 325 stock. I just read recently that USPCC is discontinuing the use of 325 due to ongoing problems with the paper and they will be using a new type. I can't remember the number though, something like 300 but I'm not sure.
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JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1728 Posts |
DelMagic is correct - there is no real difference these days. There was a difference in the past (and there could be a difference in the future).
Incidentally, "finish" refers to the type of embossing pattern that is pressed into the surface of the paper. It does not refer to any sort of chemical coatings or printers' varnishes that are applied to the paper. Lots of people get that confused. These days the major differences are the type of paper originally used, the compression used as the two layers of paper are pressed together (and the resulting final thickness), the finish and the cut. There is no difference between Bee's "cambric," Bicycle's "air-cushion," and Tally-Ho's "linoid" finishes, but there is a difference between those embossing patterns and the resurrected "Ivory" finish (no embossing pattern) that the Conjuring Arts Research Center has used on some of their decks from the past few years. Jason
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loyaleagle Special user Montgomery Village, Maryland 567 Posts |
If the embossing process gives the cards their "finish," what makes them smooth/shiny/slippery? Some kind of lamination process?
I'm interested because some of my patter uses "how cards are made," and while highly accurate education isn't exactly the point, people do appreciate "true and interesting" over "false and interesting" sometimes.
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JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1728 Posts |
Loyaleagle,
A chemical coating similar to printer's varnish gives playing cards the slipperiness that you're talking about. Jason
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mfeld Elite user San Francisco 457 Posts |
I definitely agree with Jason that it is getting increasingly difficult to tell the difference between many of the finishes. (And I appreciated learning that the difference in the finishes has nothing to do with the coating, but rather the stamping. I had no idea.) But just by feel, I still think there is some difference between different decks.
But Cambric, Air Cusion, and Linoid still have some meaning to me, at least as long as I'm buying the older versions of the cards. I generally think of the finishes as going from completely smooth and slick: Ivories and Aladins to the most textured (and therefore the most resistence -- for lack of a better term -- when the cards are spread): Arrco, Stingers, etc. Here's the gradiant as I see it with some of the more common brands (I'm sure many people have different impressions, and with the new decks it seems to be mostly luck of the draw) Slick Ivories Aladdin Fournier Bicycle (Air Cushion) Tally Ho (Linoid) Bee (Cambric) MagicCon, Shifters, House of Playing Cards, Dan and Dave's cards (Magic Finish) Arrco (Plastic Finish) Stingers If an Octopus Could Palm Textured
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JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1728 Posts |
Michael,
There are absolutely some differences between the different decks. With so many different factors (paper stock, embossing type, depth of embossing, gluing pressure, moisture content, cut and chemical coatings to name just a few) involved in the production of a deck of cards, it's difficult to make two decks of cards that don't feel slightly different to trained hands. But with regard to the finish of Bicycles, Bee's and Tally-Ho's, they're all the same these days. Run on the same presses one right after another as the company sees fit. All of those other factors combine to give you slight differences, but it isn't coming from the finish per se. Jason
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Octopus Sun Special user Wiggle Wiggle 586 Posts |
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