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MobilityBundle Regular user Las Vegas/Boston 120 Posts |
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On 2012-07-06 10:48, acesover wrote: I consider myself well read in remarkably few things, but this topic is one of them. Seriously, this stuff has been near and dear to my heart since high school. (To be sure, I wasn't doing quantum field theory in high school. More at the "Brief History of Time" level back then.) I did have to look up the relative masses of neutrinos and electrons, and I had to fish around for the LHC / world hunger cost estimates. Other than that, it's my own synthesis of yesteryear's book learnin'. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Some of the folks here do read a LOT of books and you will find a wide range of higher academic degrees. Some, I'm sure, do just Google things for the sake of posting something, but I think that many already have the basic knowledge and primarily use Google to provide links to support their positions for those who are not familiar with the topic.
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Pecan_Creek Veteran user The Nation of TEXAS! 323 Posts |
As far as benefits go I heard it explained well on (Oh, No) NPR this morning, one person put it this way.
When the first particle physicicts discovered the electron, humanity got electricity. When the magnetic force was understood great gains were made in various tecnologies which enabled well, anything with a magnet. If we can actually understand and harness the possible uses of gravity , well who knows what kind of advancements can be had. My addition: Warp Drive? What kind of energy souce (or bomb) could be derived from harnessing the power of gravity? As to the other question: I have been very interested and have read a lot of material on quantum physics. I could carry on a conversation with other lay people on this subject. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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No amount of money in the world will "end hunger." As they say: Give a man a fish, he'll eat a meal. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime. I'd go with Maslow's hierarchy of needs on this. What I mean is, if someone is about to keel over because he's so hungry, then I think we should first give him a fish, and then teach him to catch his own.
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MobilityBundle Regular user Las Vegas/Boston 120 Posts |
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On 2012-07-06 12:21, Pecan_Creek wrote: I'd add to that, X-rays. When X-rays were first being investigated, it was very esoteric stuff. I believe the first (or at least an early) Nobel prize was given to Roentgen for their discovery. Within a generation, there were immediate applications, most notably to medicine. Same with nuclear magnetic resonance, which was re-branded as magnetic resonance imaging (or "MRI"). Or lasers. Of course, nobody would say that *every* high-falutin' physics breakthrough eventually finds its way into a better mousetrap. But at some point, better mousetraps don't come along without some high falutin' physics breakthrough. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
You should become a mentalist! X-Rays were the first thing that came to my mind when I read acesover's post.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
Thanks for the answwers guys. My in depth knowledge of this topic can be covererd from Hawking's book a "Brief History of Time" which I read 3 times in around 10 years. Got some info out of it but even that book was beyond me and that is probably a book like we see all the time, "such an such for dummies". The thing is that it is very interesting and I only wish I could wrap my mind around it with better understanding. I am definitely finding this thread interesting if not a bit overwhelming when it gets down to the nitty gritty.
I love Pecan_Creek's quote: I have been very interested and have read a lot of material on quantum physics. I could carry on a conversation with other lay people on this subject.. I am sure he could have added, informed and somewhat knowledgable lay people, not just lay people.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/cultivare/2......article/ "Higgs did the math to show that how the particle would behave and what it would ‘act like.’ But that was all on paper; in the meantime, the little bugger has eluded empirical discovery. It was so elusive, that a physicist originally coined it the “Goddamn particle,” in a proposed title to his book on the subject. His publisher persuaded him to re-name it “The God Particle,” and the name has taken off in the public sphere (much to the chagrin of many physicists)."
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Jeff J. Special user Connecticut 787 Posts |
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On 2012-07-02 13:26, mastermindreader wrote: I think the reason it's misunderstood is because they jokingly called it the "God particle" and religious folks went crazy. |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Very good, balducci! Michio Kaku was interviewed recently on a similar subject. He did identify Higgs's boson as particle that likely set off the Big Bang, but that's as far as it goes.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Dr. Jay L. Wile, a scientist, said this:
"Why has the Higgs boson been called the “God Particle?” Well, some physicists say that without it, particles would have no mass, therefore there would be no gravity, therefore there would be no stars, no planets, and no people. So the Higgs boson is the reason we all exist. However, that’s rather foolish. I could just as easily say that without electrical charge there would be no people, because the chemistry that runs our bodies depends on the existence of electrical charge. In that case, then, the photon is the “God Particle,” since it mediates the electromagnetic field. Others have suggested that because the Higgs field permeates all of space, it is like God, who is omnipresent. But space permeates all space as well. Is space like God? Of course not. The Higgs boson has nothing more to do with God than any other particle in His creation." Tom
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Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
MobilityBundle,
To your question about whether we google. My answer is yes but not in response to the question here. Everyone with an interest in the quest to find the Higgs Boson has been expecting big things from the LHC for a while. Sources like NPR will often have someone on to give a hint about when Big news is coming, discuss the race between Fermi Labs and Cern, etc... I don't get a Newspaper so I google the subject fairly regularly to keep up and the most current information is online. When posting I may revisit something I've read to make sure I'm remembering correctly or to get spelling right. Ultimately all my information on these subjects comes from PBS, NPR and Google. I have a ongoing interest in this but I am no expert. We live in wonderful times that give the casual hobbyist a better glimpse into many areas of Science than ever before. It is not too surprising that this translates to more and better informed enthusiasts. We also have members working in the field. -Mary Mowder |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Did not "google," however watched the animated video that several friends and fellow geeks have been posting, before this thread. Served as a decent refresher.
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On 2012-07-06 09:27, acesover wrote: So basically you're saying it's okay to learn, but stop trying to learn "too much." Why? And what exactly is the "forbidden fruit" that should be off limits? Anyway, religions, not science, deserves the "all knowing" criticism, because they claim to already have the answers to the ultimate questions. Why do many of the religious fear scientific advancement so much? If the religious are so certain of their beliefs/claims, then they should be MORE enthusiastic than anybody else about scientific research, as science has the potential to validate those claims. Ron
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On 2012-07-07 08:14, TomBoleware wrote: "So the Higgs boson is the reason we all exist." That's a somewhat disingenuous spin, as I'm not aware that scientists are claiming that. I agree that the Higgs boson has nothing to do with a God though. Furthermore, Jay L. Wile is a Young Earth Creationist, which is in opposition to the vast majority of scientists. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-07-07 10:45, R.S. wrote: I'd take it a step further and say that, by definition, Young Earth Creationists are NOT scientists. Young Earth creationism is pure pseudo-science. |
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Bill Hilly Elite user 449 Posts |
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On 2012-07-06 19:35, acesover wrote: An excellent book. Coincidentally, I re-read it last month. I do that every couple of years. |
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Bill Hilly Elite user 449 Posts |
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On 2012-07-07 08:14, TomBoleware wrote: Yep, that's a thinker. I think I read somewhere that Higgs himself was not keen on it being called "The God Particle". Not trying to speak for Tom but what I thought of when reading his post was a reminder of ALL of the things that have to be in pretty carefully balanced together in order for the things that exist to exist. To quote another famous scientist, "Fascinating." |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2012-07-07 10:20, R.S. wrote: You said this: So basically you're saying it's okay to learn, but stop trying to learn "too much."...Then for some unknown reason you said I said it. SO NO I DID NOT BASICALLY SAY THAT, YOU DID. Now if you read what I did say you would understand what I said. Science and religion can coexist. However scientists want to explain all without a Supreme Being. they can't do it because it is not true. But that is another topic isn't it? The Forbidden fruit is...if I tell you I would have to kill you because it is forbidden. Actually it means nothing more that man trying to put himself on the same plain as God. To become all knowing. However man (scientists in this instance) is to vain to believe in God so it is something that can never happen because of its whole premise, and that is to be as all knowing as God whom they do not believe exists in the first place. Confused? You should be, because if science can know everything they can now claim to be all knowing and be as powerful as God whom they claim does not exist. So if they ever become all knowing, an impossibility, they will have susceeded which cannot happen. Yet because of their vanity they continue to try and become all knowing, the pursuit of The Forbidden Fruit, The Forbidden Fruit which is unobtainable. Nothing wrong with learning all one can, just stop trying to explain and play God. Getting biblical here, part of the Forbidden Fruit was death and disease which Adam and Eve never experienced until they persued and insisted upon learning from if you read the bible The Devil, who was nothing moe than a fallen angel who also wanted to be on the same plain as God. But lets not start another topic. Man should never stop learning. However he should stop trying to be God because he is not.
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Cliffg37 Inner circle Long Beach, CA 2491 Posts |
I believe that science is slowly but surely uncovering some of the big guy's workings, but I believe very strongly that some things we are not meant to know.
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