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Mikael Eriksson
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I have recently started stopping peoples watches, and I must say that it´s one of the best things I have ever done in magic/mentalism. But I have read/heard that the watch can be destroyed. A magician collegue destroyed his friend´s watch when doing this.

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I personally am leary about it for the fact that a wrist watch can be a very expensive proposition to repair if something happens to it or worse, if they claim that you are responsible for it. It is the same reason I shy away from using ring flight too. All it takes is one loose diamond and the owner to claim you damaged it. Lawsuits are no joking matter and neither is a "can't happen to me mentality". Happens to hypnotists, mentalists too just by people claiming they haven't been the same since, same thing can go for borrowing potential expensive items.

I just wouldn't recommend it.

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On 2002-05-13 08:04, Mikael Eriksson wrote:
I have recently started stopping peoples watches, and I must say that it´s one of the best things I have ever done in magic/mentalism. But I have read/heard that the watch can be destroyed. A magician collegue destroyed his friend´s watch when doing this.

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Mikael Eriksson wrote:
...A magician collegue destroyed his friend´s watch when doing this.

Sounds like your very last sentence answers all the thoughts there can be, no?

/Matias
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Where's the best info on watch and pulse stopping? The former seems dangerous because of possible destruction and the latter seemed too bizzare for me. But the post about combining the two has me really intrigued and has flooded me with ideas. So I'm looking in for more information.

Where can I get the dirt on these two?

Jonathan Grant

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Personally I agree with Paul. To muh of a risk...I do however sometimes start a broken watch. In my mind a much more pleaseing effect. (I use the one from Gellerism Revealed by Ben Harris)

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<<Where's the best info on watch and pulse stopping? The former seems dangerous because of possible destruction and the latter seemed too bizzare for me. But the post about combining the two has me really intrigued and has flooded me with ideas. So I'm looking in for more information. >>

Where can I get the dirt on these two?

Jonathan...
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I stop watches all the time, but have given up all the Ravens,, Bats and large PK magnets. I stick with a small fingertip sold by the same guys that sell the LOOPS... I think they still can be reached in Tel Aviv at 973-3-6874581 or write to:
P.O. Box 12093 Tel Aviv, Israel
I bought several when they were in Miami because I knew I would use them constantly... I've lost several over the years. They put a magnet that's just strong enough to stop it, but do little or no damage... I haven't damaged one yet and I've been using there product for five years now.
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If it's a modern battery op watch, it should be okay to stop it using the standard method; if it's a spring wound watch, don't even think of doing it. It'll screw it up so that it needs to be fixed by a watch repairman. It's not a hard fix, but, among other things, it'll likely reveal the method. And it'll cost, and not make you look so great.
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Not necessarily Matias, when he described it it almost sounded like he attached the gimmick to the watch and let it sit there.
Maybe that was too much?

Mikael

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Mikael Eriksson wrote:
...A magician collegue destroyed his friend´s watch when doing this.

Sounds like your very last sentence answers all the thoughts there can be, no?

/Matias
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One other thing about stopping watches: you do it only for the neccessary time it takes to say, "Look! The hand has stopped moving...I'll get it to go again. Look! It's moving!" That's it. You don't stop it and then show it around for everyone to see... it should be a second or two in the stopped position. I've been doing it for years and haven't run into problems yet... it doesn't mean I won't because anything is possible.
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As written in an earlier thread...

Don't do it with mechanic watches, and don't stop it for more than a few seconds. Out of the hundreds of times that I've done this, it has never screwed up a single watch... However, if there IS a problem, get the participant to leave their watch on a compass overnight, and this will sort it out. (You can give him some nonsense about making sure it faces due East overnight on top of the compass.)
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To my knowledge there is no difference between mechanical watches or battery watches as far as their workings. What did I miss? Smile

Mikael

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Don't do it with mechanic watches
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Perhaps I miss the point completely...where is the entertainment value in stopping someone's watch, either physically or psychicly.

Mysteriously causing the watch's hands to move ahead or backwards a certain number of minutes according to the spectator's whim (i.e., Psychokinetic Time) is more of an entertaining concept than stopping (and possibly screwing up)someone's timepiece.
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Mikael,

What is referred to as a "mechanical watch" is simply a watch that one had to wind up. The wearer of the watch would wind the watch's stem. This would tighten a spring inside the watch. As the spring loosened ( I don't know the actual mechanics and technical workings) the hands would turn at a standard regulated speed. These watches had to be wound once a day (or more depending on the watch). If you forgot to wind it, it would stop.

Later on, some company or other( I believe it was Timex, but I am not sure) came up with a "self winding" watch.
In this one, there was a weight inside the watch that swiveled when the wearer moved his wrist, thereby, tightening and retigntening the spring, as opposed to hand winding the watch. This caused a lot of people to shake their wrists a lotduring the day to make sure the weight was moving around. It wasn't necessary to do this, but I guess people wanted to be sure. It was a rather funny sight, sometimes.

Fortunately, someone devised the battery watch and saved us all a lot of grief.

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A good mentalist can make it very entertaining. Anything with that much supposed power can be made entertaining if presented right.

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I beg to differ. Even a "good" mentalist (or any competent magical entertainer, for that matter) would have a problem effectively selling a meaningless miracle, no matter how strong it may appear to the "wonder worker" presenting it.

Stopping a watch is basically a negative construct, and a poor way for an entertainer to prove his/her so-called mental prowess. It may prove to be momentarily startling, but I doubt that a spectator will be as affected by the feat as he/she would if a performer started a broken watch (re: Uri Geller) or moved the hands of a watch to match a chosen hour. Stopping the watch (and possibly damaging) the spectator's property is hardly an intellegent premise, both practically and aesthetically.

Just my two cents...
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Greetings,

Interesting contention over the value of watch-stopping. Since I like to stop mine (and I don't use a magnet - heheheh), I employ a presentation involving psychokinesis.

"PK is a very weak force. I can't move cars or lift houses. However, something as delicate as a glass bulb filled with pressurized gas, or as intricate as the machinery in a watch is very subject to subtle forces. For example..."

The bulb *****ters. The watch stops. It all makes sense. And no one can ask you to make them float in mid-air.

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What's with the asterisks? And yes, you can make stopping a watch into a pretty strong effect. For a completely DIFFERENT example, you could use it as a spirit-thing where if you can make people cry from PK touches, you can at least drop jaws using the right build up and presentation.

I think you are putting too much limitation on mentalists' ability here.

Jonathan Grant
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One of the aspects of genuine PSI, is that some people are extremely gifted when it comes to machines, and others seem to be cursed.

Think about it... surely you know people who have major problems with technology; their computers never seem to work properly, and their VCRs routinely break down.

Others seem to be able to get machines do things that don't seem possible.

You could present watchstopping as a 'gremlin' or 'jinx' type of effect.
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I stopped a couple of watches and moved a couple of them just recently at the Hollywood Underground Festival... let's just say that it was the topic of conversation for the next two day. Everyone kept holding up their watches and showing them around by saying, "He made it stop! It was amazing!"
So for those that think it is a pointless effect I implore you to stay away from it.
Greg
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