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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
That's not true, you just have to know where to look.
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DickDaze New user 54 Posts |
Maybe "nuts and bolts" wasn't the correct phrase. What I mean is that while the principles are quite well laid down in the literature, most of it is quite basic in nature and very little of it deals with the sort of TV 'guest spot' performances that Derren Brown performs so well in. In those situations, especially situations where there might be multiple presenters you have to be on your top game. A lot could be said about such performances, but I've not seen much written in any book, dvd or semi-public forum.
I kind of think I would have heard about it if it had. But I'm happy to be surprised
Richard Daze
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
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On 2012-07-06 08:48, jeggintonfilms wrote: It's Magic...
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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merricksforge New user Asheville, NC 75 Posts |
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On 2012-07-11 13:49, DickDaze wrote: lol, sounds like a russian doll that's gone fishing.
Psychic Escape
Man has an invincible inclination to allow himself to be deceived and is, as it were, enchanted with happiness when the rhapsodist tells him epic fables as if they were true, or when the actor in the theater acts more royally than any real king. So long as it is able to deceive without injuring, that master of deception, the intellect, is free; it is released from its former slavery and celebrates its Saturnalia. It is never more luxuriant, richer, prouder, more clever and more daring. - Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche |
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quicknotist Special user 888 Posts |
I'm constantly amazed by the number of people here who are so hasty to show how 'knowledgeable' they are, they happily speculate about methods openly with new members and in public, even completely missing when others have hinted that to do so wouldn't be wise.
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merricksforge New user Asheville, NC 75 Posts |
...methods for what?
Psychic Escape
Man has an invincible inclination to allow himself to be deceived and is, as it were, enchanted with happiness when the rhapsodist tells him epic fables as if they were true, or when the actor in the theater acts more royally than any real king. So long as it is able to deceive without injuring, that master of deception, the intellect, is free; it is released from its former slavery and celebrates its Saturnalia. It is never more luxuriant, richer, prouder, more clever and more daring. - Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche |
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Peter_turner V.I.P. Bradford, West Yorkshire 1360 Posts |
Asher you are a gem haha
Pete x |
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Simon (Ted) Edwards Inner circle London 1528 Posts |
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On 2012-07-11 21:15, quicknotist wrote: Quite. Unbelievable really. T. |
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bdekolta Inner circle Texas 1636 Posts |
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NLP is a set of techniques for change basically. Actually NLP is a set of techniques for communication. Some of the techniques go for more specificity and some go for the opposite. In the current case I would go with what Derren has published regarding his use of the techniques. |
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parmenion Inner circle Switzerland/Zürich 3988 Posts |
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On 2012-07-11 13:49, DickDaze wrote: Don't worry, after read you posts on this topic nobody want to surprise you... Great honours are great burdens.
“I love talking about nothing. It is the only thing I know anything about.”
<BR>Oscar Wilde experimentaliste <br> <BR>Artist pickpocket Professional <BR> <BR>Looking for the best book test in French? send me a PM! |
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Dr Weevil Regular user 137 Posts |
It's a great clip, with some lovely subtleties in the patter. For me personally, it seems more useful to consider the presentation than the method.
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DickDaze New user 54 Posts |
So its ok to dissect the subtleties and patter but not the mechanics of the method?
Richard Daze
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Simon (Ted) Edwards Inner circle London 1528 Posts |
Dick,
honest question - are you picking fights or trying to contribute to the discussion? T. |
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Dr Weevil Regular user 137 Posts |
Dick,
I thought I had been very careful not to 'dissect' anything: I enjoyed the clip and wanted to add my $0.02 about the general aspect of it I found the most interesting. It's certainly not my intention to turn up here and offend people on day 1! |
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DickDaze New user 54 Posts |
Well to be honest, my last comment was more of a 'fight picker' than a contribution to the discussion.
I made a pretty sincere post that there is little quality material that deals with pre-show in detail which was rubbished by parmenion, then re-rubbished when I clarified - albeit arrogantly. I have no idea what merricksforge is talking about, but I guess its non-complimentary. I don't really care, but its hard to have an honest discussion in such circumstances without sounding arrogant. If you've been involved in mentalism for a long time, always kept and eye out for publications involving or dedicated to PS and having rarely come across truly quality/detailed material well suited to TV ps work. Its all very well when you are on stage - you are in charge. When you are a guest, the balance of power changes somewhat. Dr Weevil's post indicates that he's read the forum for long enough to make the sort of noises that he thinks other mentalists might like to hear. There is a legitimate question about why it would be ok to discuss a presentation and not a method, but since the likely method is PS then you can't even have a useful discussion about the "lovely subtleties in the patter" without hypothesising about the process of the PS. As for the discussion, I don't think there is any discussion to be had here - which is why other than repeating the term PS, I've been silent on the actual video.
Richard Daze
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Dr Weevil Regular user 137 Posts |
Also, please don't read my post as meaning 'let's start a discussion about the presentation': I do think that would be just as inappropriate as discussing method. That's why I kept my comment short and vague.
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Atticus R. Cane Regular user since Mar 15, 2007 and still only 181 Posts |
So we can't talk about the performance and we can't talk about the presentation then why the hell does this thread have four pages dedicated to it?
Just let the ***ed thing die. |
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boydy Special user Ayrshire, Scotland 881 Posts |
So how'd he do it then?
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thedebonair New user UK 17 Posts |
Not directly linked to the original post but kind of relevant ........Derren today supported the following experiment, saying it was 'much needed'...........
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ado.......0040259 |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
Oh boy...
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