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Maybe "nuts and bolts" wasn't the correct phrase. What I mean is that while the principles are quite well laid down in the literature, most of it is quite basic in nature and very little of it deals with the sort of TV 'guest spot' performances that Derren Brown performs so well in. In those situations, especially situations where there might be multiple presenters you have to be on your top game. A lot could be said about such performances, but I've not seen much written in any book, dvd or semi-public forum.

I kind of think I would have heard about it if it had. But I'm happy to be surprised Smile
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On 2012-07-06 08:48, jeggintonfilms wrote:
Hello members

I've recently gained an interest in mentalism but have been performing close-up for a number of years.

I saw Derren Browns recent appearance on the UK talk show 'The One Show' and was intrigued by the 'trick' he performed. That brings me to, is this actually a 'trick' or is he using
some sort of genuine psycological force such as using certain gestures to influence the host?

Here is the link to the clip: https://vimeo.com/45306701

Thanks in advance

Jonty


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On 2012-07-11 13:49, DickDaze wrote:
Maybe "nuts and bolts" wasn't the correct phrase. What I mean is that while the principles are quite well laid down in the literature, most of it is quite basic in nature and very little of it deals with the sort of TV 'guest spot' performances that Derren Brown performs so well in. In those situations, especially situations where there might be multiple presenters you have to be on your top game. A lot could be said about such performances, but I've not seen much written in any book, dvd or semi-public forum.

I kind of think I would have heard about it if it had. But I'm happy to be surprised Smile



lol, sounds like a russian doll that's gone fishing.
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I'm constantly amazed by the number of people here who are so hasty to show how 'knowledgeable' they are, they happily speculate about methods openly with new members and in public, even completely missing when others have hinted that to do so wouldn't be wise.
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...methods for what?
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Asher you are a gem haha

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On 2012-07-11 21:15, quicknotist wrote:
I'm constantly amazed by the number of people here who are so hasty to show how 'knowledgeable' they are, they happily speculate about methods openly with new members and in public, even completely missing when others have hinted that to do so wouldn't be wise.

Quite. Unbelievable really.
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NLP is a set of techniques for change basically.


Actually NLP is a set of techniques for communication. Some of the techniques go for more specificity and some go for the opposite.

In the current case I would go with what Derren has published regarding his use of the techniques.
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On 2012-07-11 13:49, DickDaze wrote:
I kind of think I would have heard about it if it had. But I'm happy to be surprised Smile


Don't worry, after read you posts on this topic nobody want to surprise you...
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It's a great clip, with some lovely subtleties in the patter. For me personally, it seems more useful to consider the presentation than the method.
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So its ok to dissect the subtleties and patter but not the mechanics of the method?
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Dick,
honest question - are you picking fights or trying to contribute to the discussion?
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Dick,
I thought I had been very careful not to 'dissect' anything: I enjoyed the clip and wanted to add my $0.02 about the general aspect of it I found the most interesting. It's certainly not my intention to turn up here and offend people on day 1!
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Well to be honest, my last comment was more of a 'fight picker' than a contribution to the discussion.

I made a pretty sincere post that there is little quality material that deals with pre-show in detail which was rubbished by parmenion, then re-rubbished when I clarified - albeit arrogantly. I have no idea what merricksforge is talking about, but I guess its non-complimentary. I don't really care, but its hard to have an honest discussion in such circumstances without sounding arrogant. If you've been involved in mentalism for a long time, always kept and eye out for publications involving or dedicated to PS and having rarely come across truly quality/detailed material well suited to TV ps work. Its all very well when you are on stage - you are in charge. When you are a guest, the balance of power changes somewhat.

Dr Weevil's post indicates that he's read the forum for long enough to make the sort of noises that he thinks other mentalists might like to hear. There is a legitimate question about why it would be ok to discuss a presentation and not a method, but since the likely method is PS then you can't even have a useful discussion about the "lovely subtleties in the patter" without hypothesising about the process of the PS.

As for the discussion, I don't think there is any discussion to be had here - which is why other than repeating the term PS, I've been silent on the actual video.
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Also, please don't read my post as meaning 'let's start a discussion about the presentation': I do think that would be just as inappropriate as discussing method. That's why I kept my comment short and vague.
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So we can't talk about the performance and we can't talk about the presentation then why the hell does this thread have four pages dedicated to it?

Just let the ***ed thing die.
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So how'd he do it then?
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Not directly linked to the original post but kind of relevant ........Derren today supported the following experiment, saying it was 'much needed'...........

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ado.......0040259
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