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So you.think it is all just luck? You get there first? How ridiculous with all due respect.

You get there first by not going where others already are!

Wanna know how to spot a pioneer? Those are the guys with all the arrows in their backs! There was NO MARKET before I showed up. I created it and continue to.

It is about the amount of work and sacrifice one is willing to put in . I can think of at least 5 completely untapped gold mines right off the top of my head. They would take work to extract it, but it is there. But everyone wants to pick low hanging fruit.

If you are not willing to do these things the only thing left is to complain and that ain't my style.

Plus it is more than just not being a jerk. It is about relationships, it is about dependability, it is about running a great business. The show is actually a quite small part of it.
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I never said its all luck Danny read my post I said its about getting there first. If someone had got there before you then no matter how much hard work you were willing to do you wouldn't be there. That is simply a fact.

Starting out now you wouldn't be able to find those places you know its true. I said in my post I hsve a lot of respect for you so take a chill pill and read what I wrote..

Of course I understand pioneering what do you think I am doing now? Do you see me lining up with the others selling out and dealing crap hypnosis products to anyone that will buy? Do you see me pandering to the lowest market and leaving a legacy I would be ashamed off for a few bucks because that's as far as my ability would take me?

No I go where there is no one at least here in the UK and pioneer a system that is taking me towards working with the top golf pros with no track record. Do you think that has been easy from a standing still and with no contacts. Do think I don't understand about finding something where no one has gone before and locking myself in?

I tell you something ~I bet the golf is just as difficult if not a LOT more difficult as I have to get the results I claim. But even getting the opportunities to prove my point involves years of building relationships, cutting through politics and sheer bull headed stubbornness.

I did the same in the past with stage hypnosis but now there no such opportunities so I have created one out of sheer determination and self belief.

And let me tell you something about Jerks. 90% of those in professional golf at a high level or those that play golf in exclusive courses ARE jerks. YOu have to be one step ahead of them all the time and build relationships with those that will steal from you use you and steal all credit all in a diplomatic way so that you don't close any doors or burn bridges.

But its the only path in. Trust me I more than understand what its like to be a pioneer.
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Do you see when you write "it is easy to explain you got there first", then follow it up with downplaying what it takes it makes you seem a little bitter?

You make it sound like only you have the truth. Like only you have the path and everyone else is lucky. You should really read how it sounds.

I for one am happy the money hasn't left the stage just yet.
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Danny

Its easy to explain doesn't mean its easy to do. BUT its now IMPOSSIBLE TO DO because the places are taken. that isn't my truth ITS THE TRUTH, It really is that simple. Yes there are a lot of jerks around but you aren't the only one who is willing to work or can see opportunities. BUT THERE HAS TO BE OPPORTUNITIES TO SEE IN THE FIRST PLACE. And just as you told me yourself once privately you wouldn't like to be starting today because there are no openings. I am not downplaying anything.

Its sounds that way to your ears its not what I wrote. I am creating a path I don't know the only path. The one I have embarked upon is the only path open to me I don't have contacts or any other way to get in. I don't have money to join exclusive clubs and hang out with the rich. I have had to be creative. Do you know I haven't even ever played a game of golf! I don't even know the rules!

I would be shocked if you weren't happy that the money hasn't left the stage at least for you yet. May you get many more years out of it. I am only saying its not that way for everyone. And you are in (even if a deserved )very fortunate position.

And I will be honest about the golf. I saw an opportunity but if I knew at the start it was going to be as half as difficult as it has turned out I would never have gone down that route. Its just that I have come so far now I can't turn back. Besides I am now finally beginning to break through.
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I still say there are at least 5 stage markets that are untapped gold mines. That is without even thinking too hard.

I have no idea how I would learn my craft today. Comedy clubs are basically gone. The exam path I took doesn't exist.

But make no mistake, there are LOTS of markets out in the world for a good stage hypnotist to use if he is smart. Where to get the experience to become good is the hard part.
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So should I get the Mark Lewis video's or not?
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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Why not?
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On 2012-07-18 22:49, Dannydoyle wrote:
I still say there are at least 5 stage markets that are untapped gold mines. That is without even thinking too hard.

I have no idea how I would learn my craft today. Comedy clubs are basically gone. The exam path I took doesn't exist.

But make no mistake, there are LOTS of markets out in the world for a good stage hypnotist to use if he is smart. Where to get the experience to become good is the hard part.


How do you know no one is doing them?

Maybe you don't - maybe you just think they are gold mines. It wouldn't the first time I though a certain market was a goldmine only to find out the opposite when tested.

The truth is you have no idea if any of these are until tested.
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No the truth is YOU don't know. You have no idea what I have or have not tested or what experience I am speaking from.

This is where you get into trouble. You think that since YOU can't figure out how to do it or haven't thought of doing it then it can't be done. Well sorry to tell you that is not the measuring stick the world uses.

I am telling you for a FACT they are untapped and nobody is there, and there IS a market. It is not a guess, it is a fact. Don't assume everyone is stuck at your level of knowledge. Get over it.
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Well where is the evidence? You are so fond of asking that question which I have provided you with before. A market isn't a fact until its a market. There is no market if no one is there. Its like saying there's a party with no people.

Until you show me any evidence you are talking hot air.

And a market will only be so once you or someone else IS there not until. you believe there is a market or could be a market but that doesn't make it so.

And that's where you come unstuck...
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Your lack of knowledge masquarading as arrogance is amusing.

Are you intentionally obtuse? I have to prove ANYTHING to you? LOL. Why? Some faceless name on a message board and you are the arbitor of what is or isn't a market, a show, a routine or success? Are you reading what you are writing?

Do something other than whine and complain about others on a message board. There I have given you step one. The world is bigger than the island you choose to limmit yourself to. There I have given you step two. How many steps down this road do I have to hold your hand for?

Let me make this simple, hopefully simple enough for you. I have been offered 5 different opportunities in WRITING to go to markets where there are no other people doing what I do! It is a FACT. Now what I have to scan and show you the offer sheets? Oh and a street hypnotist has never cost me a dime. Much the way a Kareoke singer hasn't cost Bono much.

God you are bitter.

But lets make it easy. NOBODY but YOU has ever been worthy of a show, a contract, money or does anything worthwhile. There.

Why do I feed the troll?
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Now watching you getting emotional with meaningless sentences with no real content is quite amusing on one hand. I get the feeling yo have a real chip on your shoulder. Where I have I ever said in any of my posts that I am the only one who deserves a contract or showor anything if that matters? I have in great detail in the past posted warts and all accounts of mistakes nd short coming's I've made.

And where in any of my recent posts in this thread have I said that you or anyone wasn't deserving of any achievements? I woud be really grateful if you could just point out one line that suggests that.

I don't know what you are reading but its not what I am writing. I get the feeling you are really insecure about something that you would make you lash out with such a sensesless post that has had no obvious provocation.

But just to reiterate a market doesn't exist until there is someone there doing it. Until then it is either only a belief or a possibility that's basic business. Even with some research its not a market until its proved itself.

Please tell me why that offends you and why that suggests I thonk I am the only one worthy of a contract or show? Because I am scratching my head in disbelief as to how you could come to that conclusion. Everything I ever done that has been successful as well as hard work involved a lot of luck and being in the right place at the right time. And maybe a lot of rejection in between. But that's the same for everybody. I have believed that there were great markets even after an initial test to find they didn't exist at all once I spent a lot of time and resources trying it.

How does that make me bitter?

I think it makes me level headed but then I can't control what runs around in your head. You can only see what you are looking for not what is actually there.
Again Danny isn'tead of pointless emoitional posts for no reason show me how you have come to these conclusions?

You used to be such a great one for asking for evidence what wrong with you now?

Trying to have a serious conversation with you but you are stuck in defense mode. you atre fighting something that is not there.
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Who is emotional? You are adding that all in your own mind.

Pointing out where you are wrong is not emotional, it is not defensive, it is pointing out where you are wrong.

Every post you make comes off as I said. Where you seem to think you are the final word.

Dudethe world is a lot bigger than that island you live on. Go out and experience some of it. You won't regret it.
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Really? Look at your words....hardly a logical post Danny. You still haven't shown me how you came to those conclusions? I can't see anywhere where I have said anything about you or your achievements that are negative. In fact I even told you I have a lot of respect for you.The only negativity I have in this thread is towards street hypnosis. I am looking hard but I can't see anywhere where I say I am the only one to deserve a contract or show?

Where does that come from? Its not from my writing its from your head. These are emotional reactions.

I am a bit disappointed as I was wanting a serious conversation from you. But you seem to be on the defense when I delivered no attack.
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Lack if knowledge thinly veiled as arrogance.

Once more just because YOU can't see it in no way means it doesn't exist. It speaks only to your lack of ability to see. Not emotional, just facts.

You like to make grand pronouncements about how things are. Fact is you live in a fairly small place. I am just telling you the world is much bigger.
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The hypnosis forum here on the Café is always so negative. It's sad to see that so many hypnotists are such miserable people offstage.
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On 2012-07-19 15:28, Exitmat wrote:
The hypnosis forum here on the Café is always so negative. It's sad to see that so many hypnotists are such miserable people offstage.


That's quite incorrect, however seems to be the perception to younger guys or those newer to here. The reality is it is a serious frustration from those that have made their living in this profession for decades, to see it being diminished, trivialized and cheapened by a new generation, without regard or respect for those that have paved the way, kept the industry at a well-regarded profession, and care about our industry and it's future. It's the reducing it to the level of magicians, DJs, and street performers that is changing the industry and the perception of it. This is only unfortunately heightened by those that don't understand it and seem to focus on the frustrated tone, rather than the message itself and the points being demonstrated.
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It's clear to anyone who knows me and my background/training that I have the utmost respect for those who genuinely paved the way and hold many of them in very high regard indeed.
I have no gripes with those who do what they do in a genuinely entertaining and professional manner, regardless of their generation, geographical location or length of time on the scene.
What I find most interesting though is how you make it sound like the industry was spotless until the street guys came along.
However, I think you know it wasn't all rosy before. Never has been, never will be.
There were and still are plenty of stage hypnotists already diminishing, trivializing and cheapening it.
So much so, that in some cases, it would most certainly be RAISING it to the level of those professions you seem to hold in such low regard.
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No it wasn't rosey I agree totally. There are dozens of "stage" hypnotists diminishing hypnosis for same reason dozens and dozens of cheap courses products training them. The market isn't big enough. And just because someone calls them self a stage hypnotist means nothing. Its not that I have regards for any type of hypnotists although I might have high regard for certain individuals The street though has created an even lower level if you ask me.

Like you said on your podcast gangs going around with name badges in public places... accosting people. But anyway everyone to his own.

If certain individuals want to pump out these products and fill the streets or markets nothing is going to stop them. its just how it is.
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I have never seem a street hypnotist except for the internet. I don't even know of anyone who has run into one.
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