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On 2012-07-19 12:15, Dannydoyle wrote:
Lack if knowledge thinly veiled as arrogance.

Once more just because YOU can't see it in no way means it doesn't exist. It speaks only to your lack of ability to see. Not emotional, just facts.

You like to make grand pronouncements about how things are. Fact is you live in a fairly small place. I am just telling you the world is much bigger.


So you aren't going to back up some of those weirder posts and insults does that mean you owe me an apology? I would get those voices that speak to you seen to mate because they are definitely out of the box..

Go back over your posts then find one of mine that matches what your voices say just one?

Where have I made a grand pronouncement that your part of the world is the same as mine. In fact I am constantly telling you things are different here to where you are. If you are referring to a market not being a market until someone is doing it? That is plain marketing. I got that notion from reading a book by Dan Kennedy. Correct me if I am wrong but hes from your part of the world.
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What evidence do you want. Should I provide you with contact numbers for the places? How about I page for your flight too and just give it to you?

Are you serious or delusional?
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Wow, what a lot of stuff.

I think MindPunisher is saying that there are no opportunities open to him. I think Danny is saying that he has been offered opportunities presumably as a stage hypnotist that he hasn't taken up, implying they may still exist. I think Danny is suggesting that if the opportunieis will not come to the hypnotist then the hypnotist could go to the opportunities. So its not so much that the opoportunieis don't exist for MindPunisher, its more that he doesn't want to travel to them. If he can't afford to travel, well, that's more about making opportunies happen than the cash in his trousers - what would Alan Sugar say?

By the way, I loved this quote: "90% of those in professional golf at a high level or those that play golf in exclusive courses ARE jerks." - Brian Halliday, hypnotist to golfers. Amazing what some people will write.

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Hypno Kid, most people at the top of sports in any discipline are jerks. That is how they got there - through ruthlessness and putting themselves ahead of everyone else. The only long-term study of the influence of sport on character (by long-term, I mean thirty years plus) shows that it is detrimental to what most of us would consider positive character traits.

Sports people use drugs, they take unfair advantages, they fake injuries to get penalties. Some go so far as to injure opponents - remember Tanya Harding? Roy Keane? Perhaps MP is telling the truth. He has worked with them; you haven't.
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I don't know why HK is even on here as usual contributes nothing and demonstrates why he will never become anything more than where he is.

I wish I had access to professional hypnotists when I was at his stage he doesn't appreciate what he has. And what he might learn if he just grew up a bit.

Instead he thinks he is an equal here..... And that any posts he makes has any real credibility or value.

The internet has a lot to answer for..
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Most people at the too of the sports profession are jerks? Generalize much?

Sorry but I work with and know a whole lot of professional athletes and you are just wrong.
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On 2012-07-20 21:10, mindpunisher wrote:
I wish I had access to professional hypnotists when I was at his stage he doesn't appreciate what he has. And what he might learn if he just grew up a bit.


Tell me again about how you are thinking of offering mentoring to be a successful, busy, respected stage hypnotist.

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Funny you should say that HK

I am kicking around the idea of licensing my process to hypnotists who want to get better results for themselves and their clients. I've been asked to do training for ages but up until now have kept well away from it. Basically because the market is saturated by training.

Finally I am thinking about revealing my own models and processes that I have developed over the last 20 years. These are the same models that have

Broke sales records for Mercedes Benz in less than 14 days how I have used it to increase sales for Harley Davidson and
Enabled small recruitment agencies to win contracts of £360 000 and more where before they had never had a contract anywhere near that
Enabled Bernardo's to move a 250k donation to a £1million pound committment at one meeting using hypnotic language.
How I consulted EEIC in their bid to bring the NATO Summit to Edinburgh by sitting in on all their sales presentations and giving them advice and training on sales hypnosis.

dozens of therapy clients including a golf coach who had no famous clients and after working with me using my techniques and changing his mindset got to work with Colin Montgomery and Seve Ballestros and credits that programme with enabling him to move into a bigger house.

Recently working with an ex British Junior Sprinter who after a serious hamstring injury had a mental block and was about to pack in athletics altogether. After our first session he cut 4 seconds of his personal best which is huge for a sprinter. He now just came third in the British SENIOR and is at least four years younger than the two above him. Makes him the fastest sprinter under 20 in the UK. I continue to work with him.

Then recently the golfer who's life was ruined because of cheating allegations. If you google his name you will see all the press for the last two years won't let him forget his cheating. When he came to me he was in a really bad way. After 4 sessions using my unique process he wiped all the past away and within weeks dropped hos score by a huge 34 strokes to come second in the Ulster Bank Open, Qualify for the British open, Smash through all records to win the Irish Masters and come on top of the PGA Euro tour. His press has went from being the villain of golf to being credited with an amazing comeback. And all of these achievents he got since working with me in May. Even getting compliments from Tiger Woods Caddy who put a bet on him to win the open. He is a minor player. I was supposed to be with him at the open this weekend BUT since we did last session he and his coach thought they could do it without me and cut me out. I've had to sit all week and watch interviews on tv and the press about how hes learned to manage his mind and watch his coach take all credit. But guess what he FELL ON HIS ARSE....

So how does that fit in with stage hypnotists?

At this moment I am thinking of putting on a series of seminars/trainings that first of expose the delegates to the process so that they personally can start making those internal changes in order to breakthrough where they are. They can then if they so wish come on the additional day where wee break everything down and show them how they can use the same process with their clients.

They will also learn models that enable them to identify hypnotic patterns in every day life which is at the basis of being able to extend hypnosis way beyond the limited normal set of therapy contexts and to also create better responses in their stage volunteers.

For stage hypnotists they can learn about my ideas on trance personalities and how to make them explode on stage rather than be directed on what to do..... my structure format for a two hour theatre show .... and learn from my experiences of doing theatres etc. I am not claiming I know everything in this area but what I do know will be shared.

These are just my intial thoughts but I would only consider doing a training if it was something that's not currently being done. And it will be for those who want to take hypnosis in general to a much higher level or just make some serious personal changes in their lives..

Answer your question HK?

Mind you these are only thoughts. I don't know if the market would be interested yet. I don't think this place is place to do so though.
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There are stage hypnotists in other parts of the world that could benefit from what I could offer if not here in the UK. There are hypnotists in positions that could benefit greatly from what I have to offer should I offer it. And could use really use the processes to make a lot of money.
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Many times I have wondered when is someone going to start using hypnosis to center themselves for sports? FINALLY someone is doing that. Oh wait I mean the opposite.

I see when it seems to be going well it is you, when they fall on their arse it was because they didn't listen to you? Nice.

It begs the question of evidence, but no need. It also begs the question with all the success you have and all the money rolling in from it why are you considering teaching it at all? Seriously as a business plan why saturate and ruin your own market? This is what will happen you know right?

That business model is silly. Just keep doing what you are doing and being successful. Why teach others or tip them to what you are doing and ruin the market? We have a pretty good example of what happens when that is done.
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Danny life is a journey I have had money rolling in. I will have it rolling in again. I hope!

You might be right about your comments on him falling on his arse. I am still a bit peeved off with how I was treated. So I am coming from a bad place on that matter. Falling on his arse at such a big event is part of his learning I am sure he will bounce back. But it has happened many times in the past where clients make an initial big leap then stop working with me and soon after crash. My theory is that's its all about unconscious set points and I have pushed them beyond their current setpoints. But they need more in order to make that new level part of who they are so they fall back.


I agree with you on tipping which is why I have resisted doing trainings up until now. But being first in with training can also make you a lot of money too. Its just an idea at this moment..and it would be expensive should I decide to.

Where I am just now is a long hard slog just trying to prove what I already know is possible which makes its even harder when you finally get chance to prove it then credit is stolen. They kept me out because they don't want other golfers to know the real reason why his golf has improved and the coach wants the credit to attract more golfers to his stable. But it is slowly dripping out into the circuit that I exist and what I do.

But its a drain getting there energy and money and emotionally. I would at some point also like to get out of the UK with this stuff as I believe it would be much better received elsewhere. Scottish mindset is really closed to anything new. It irkes me when I hear Scottish people boast about how many inventions came from the Scots. When just about everyone of those Scots had to leave Scotland in order to achieve it.
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So, MindPunisher, given everything you could teach, why aren't you currently successful? What piece of advice would you give to yourself?

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Keep going be one step ahead and look after number one. that's why I now video every client at exit point when they are still grateful gushing over me. Dated recorded for proof. It was also be in future contracts.

I already have a PR company workng on this one for me. We sent out a press release last week to every newspaper and golf magazine in the country. I have also contacted my limited contacts in the golf world.

I am already taking my advice same as I give my clients think bigger and play bigger. This latest success with proof on youtube is another step on the ladder. Plus my fees have also gone up for next one plus contracts will be involved. A lot of golfers have taken note of his sudden success so I will do everything to get it out. I even got him saying that was ok on the video.

You have to be as selfish t hey are.

I could also sell out and go down the training route. There is also the factor just now that what I do is deemed a luxury not a necessaty because of the recession. And most businesses do not have a training budget these days. Many pro sports people don't have a sponser. This is a tough time for a lot of people. So you also have to work with whatever path is open to you.

It always amazes me how top speakers and trainers can fill rooms with delegates $15000 or more.

Get a good mentor would be the right move but finding the right one is not easy and won't be cheap.
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I like the model. When they succede it is because of you and your work. When they fail it is on them.
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I find this very interesting, but it has little to do with entertainment, which brings me to my question. I understand you are a professional hypnotist, and that means you are skilled to use hypnosis in a variety of applications - entertainment, hypnotherapy, training, product releases, niche markets, etc. My question to you, is do you consider yourself a "hypnotist" first or an "entertainer" first? Would you be going down this personal help path if your entertainment options were more readily available, or is hypnosis all-encompassing enough for you to be fulfilled with your current path?

I only ask this as I too over the years have considered operating my own practice, hypnosis educational and training products, and have also dabbled in the professional sports world (although unintended, and not of my own efforts), and I always seem to come back to the very clear position of - I am an entertainer, a stage hypnotist (among other things) and that I really have no desire whatsoever to do anything else hypnosis-related, other than to perform live. TV no longer interests me (been there, done that), training and education is of no interest (although I do mentoring, coaching and consulting one-on-one, but it is all hands-on as part of my live performance schedule), I have no interest in research or discovering new methods and techniques, no interest in creating a new trend or adaptation of classic performance hypnosis to appeal to the kids, or anything else other than stage performances.

So is this simply due to necessity, survival and lack of entertainment opportunity in your area, or by preference? Just curious.
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Incidently I think you make a mistake going for pros. Tough to access. If you have testimonials the market is bigger for the duffers. Guys who want to be pros, guys who buy all that equipment and such. That market is worldwide and huge and propagated with people who can afford it.

Just sayin.
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I like the model. When they succede it is because of you and your work. When they fail it is on them.


If they fail when I am working with them then I have to take part of the blame and admit I can't help them. If they have a dramatic turn around right after I work with them and we both know why that is then I take some of the credit. If they stop working with me and crash then it is pretty clear they have gone back to their old ways or haven't been able to deal with the increased success. Golf at the top is 100% mental its not about techniques. Its about holding it together and playing in the zone. That is the only thing that distinguishes the very top players from the average because at that level they all know how to play golf.

If you knew and understood more about the mental side of golf you would realize that these guys need a continuing programme. As do business clients. But they often become over confident when they get results fast and believe they don't need you. and don't understand you've just scratched the surface and believe they know everything and then they crash. Its a very common pattern. I don't take credit for their talent and hard work but I do take some credit from enabling them to access more of it when it matters most.

If a golfer loses form its because they are no longer in the performance zone or level of arousal. My job is to keep him there. And they need that help on a continual basis.

Itys not really a mistake aiming for top pros back in the 90s when I worked a tour golfer he told me that some mind coaches charge $18 000 a day. Its worth aiming for I think. I know my approach is as good as anybody at the top. Its just getting in. Having said that it will be a lot easier marketing to amatuers and duffers when you are associated at that level which is part of the reason of going there. Ots also part of my mental make up I can;'t help it its how I am made. caused me a lot of grief in the past but there you go.
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I always been able to entertain people without any hypnosis in real life away from doing it as a job. I can hold a room or be in a bar and keep people laughing all night with no material just socially.

If I could get back into doing profitable shows I would definitely go back to doing it. Especially the larger shows. I tend to be a creative person and one of the biggest things that drives me is seeing possibilities and how far I can go with things. I see myself as a hypnotist first which is not an adequate term. I hate being called a hypnotherapist because I do a lot more than hypnotherapy with hypnosis but its the only word I can use.

I do love performance enhancement and getting people performing at their best and working out the solution in order to get them there. I don't have the luxury of being able to settle into one or the other at this present time. I think though If I could do a bit of everything I probably would. I am not fulfilled at the moment if anything frustrated with where I am both personally and geographically I think. Sometimes I want to walk away from hypnosis all together but always stick with it.

I have been doing my own stuff for many years but keeping it to myself. But now maybe its time to share some of my takes on hypnosis.

I think necessity comes into it I am driven down certain roads in order to try and find a new lucrative market that hasn't been hammered or affected with all the stuff that's been going on.

Part of the reason for tackling golf was I know its hard to get in so if I am successful it won't be easy for others to follow. But I am still quite a long way from having that happen I think!
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You have no IDEA what I do and don't know about top golfers. I do know we host and I play in at least 3 pro am
tournaments a year. Every round I am with a whole bunch of pros. But why let a fact get in the way of an arrogant pronouncement?

If you understood ANYTHING about golf it would be that the mental aspect of it can't be separated from technique. Tiger spent months with his swing coach. There is a huge difference in technique as you age.

Funny how your name never seems to come up. Incidently the idea of hypnosis for golf and sports is hardly new. Michael Jordan used to refer to it as "getting in the zone" in basketball. Another friend of mine worked with the 1985 Chicago Bears. Golfers have used hypnosis for decades. It isn't a revolutionary idea by any means. Summit Dynamics has programs for it.

It is not new ground. Not by a long shot. All competitors look for an edge.
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Danny why the insults? I said if you knew anything about the mental side if you do great but I have a feeling you don't. There really is no correaltion between the perfect swing and high level golf that is fact. The history books bare that out. The tours are full of top pros that have really bad swings but keep winning tournaments. Likewise the tour is full of past champions who tried to make their swings better then lost their form never to get it back as they run from sw8ing coach to swing coach to try and get their old swing back.

Hypnosis may not be new but there is no one in my country known for it in golf and sport in general. And hypnosis is just a tool its what you do with it that counts. There is a gap in the market partially because of the closed mindedness of our culture. And also because of the stuffy golf traditions over here. You sound like you are a good golfer but you would be surprised as to the number of pro golfers over here I have met who don't know about hypnosis in golf. Top golf journalist Ive met who could tell you names of all of Tiger's coaches but never knew about Jay Brunza the hypnotist he has worked with since 16 year old.

So again your insults are not showing you up in a good light if anything they seem to be a good example of projection if you ask me. No one has attacked or offended you. I was also effectively banned last year by the PGA when one of their directors wanted to give me a contract to work with 10 golfers and make my programme part of the degree. At last minute he was told he would have to leave his job if he wanted to work with me so he did. They haven't found a way to make big money out of hypnosis so they want to keep it out because they make their money out if selling over long degrees and producing swing coaches that are basically salesmen that make big money for the industry selling the latest technology despite the fact the average handicap or professional score han't changed in 30 or more years and from a time when clubs were made of hickory.

Why would you have heard of me? Im in Scotland and most of Scotland still hasn't heard of me. Ive made it clear on numerous posts that I am still breaking in. Don't you read these posts? I said in my previous post I am still a long way from getting where I want to.

Why all the bile? Wouldn't it be more productive contributing something rather than being emotionally reactive? No one is attacking you or trying to make you look small.
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