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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
For the past several years (longer in the big picture) there has been a trend of magicians becoming interested in or making the move to mentalism. However, the last few months there seems to have been a huge surge in this around here. Just curious, why are all of you magicians all of a sudden coming over to mentalism? I have my theories, but would like to hear from you.
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Unknown7777 Regular user 176 Posts |
I just found that it suits me more and lets me pay attention to the audience and their experience instead of getting caught up in almost entertaining myself with the new visual moves.
just my thoughts, Brad |
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mormonyoyoman Inner circle I dug 5,000 postholes, but I have only 2440 Posts |
What? This is happening AGAIN? Did it ever stop?
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wizardofsorts Special user Chicago, IL 935 Posts |
I know why I have begun the move to mentalism:
1. The older I get the less I want to carry. 2. As I get older, I want my audience to be older too. I do not want to be doing kids birthdays at 60 (I know many do and love it, it's just not for me). 3. As I become a more serious student of the mystery arts, I found that that path leads me to mentalism. Edd
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Godzilla Inner circle Tied & Untied Witches on 5316 Posts |
It easier to pack a note pad than all the other stuff! lol
I am not moving to just menatalism! I like the Bizarre/Spooky...still have to pack a lot of crap! ~G
"If you watch Godzilla backwards, it's about a big ass lizard who helps rebuild a half burnt-down city, then moonwalks back into the ocean"
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Ray Bertrand Inner circle Ottawa, Ontario 1452 Posts |
Definitely packs small and plays big!!!
Ray
Mentalism in Ontario.
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sychou Veteran user 314 Posts |
Because it's much powerful and convincing doing metalism than doing magic tricks.
Good mentalism is a real mind mystery to audience. Many audience will believe what a good mentalist perform is real. But no matter how well you perform magic,at the end they still know it's just "trick". |
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saurabh New user 86 Posts |
If you're going into mentalism because it 'packs small' or because its 'portable' then you're going for all the wrong reasons IMO. that's like saying you're too lazy to do magic.
I did magic for about six months and immediately knew mentalism was where I wanted to be. Its choice. I'm passionate about it and I enjoy performing mentalism more than anything else. Compare it to how people choose music. Some like pop, others hip hop and some rock. Its preference and what you're most comfortable with. For me its Mentalism and rock. |
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Devious Inner circle 2120 Posts |
I would just like to state for the record,
That I have absolutely NO DESIRE to move into mentalism at the moment! |
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dusty Veteran user 352 Posts |
As an agent in the UK, I believe it is because of the success of Derren Brown. The same thing happened when David Blane hit the screen. Suddenly everyone was into "street" magic. Why because someone else made the public aware of it.
Also when work is slow we all look for alternative revenue streams, so hey, "mentalism props are just white boeards and envelopes so I will try that". Most of those I review perform nothing more than mental magic tricks and worse have no knowledge as to the skills needed to really perform and sell mentalism.
Regards,
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DWRackley Inner circle Chattanooga, TN 1909 Posts |
Even when I was “just” a magician, I enjoyed what most would call mental magic. I had a big board Mental Epic, used a couple o** *h**d routines, and a unique handling of Color Vision. Purchased an ESP “lecture”, and added a few demonstrations of my own.
I also had a partner (yes, it is a great way to pick up girls) in performing a “MindMeld” (if you remember the culture of the 70’s); I made her memorize Mulholland’s two person mind reading grids, and some special ways of using the phone (VERY different back then) and of communicating card values; we even practiced shuffling cards with her right hand and my left. It was actually kind of sexy in a twisted sort of way. Thing is, I just couldn’t completely get away from magic. I guess I still can’t, but have successfully divided it between two completely different characters. There’s a third character swimming around in there somewhere, a bizarrist, but he has yet to make an appearance. A recent development has opened up yet another “magical” direction, this one very much a return to my past, and which will actually be of great help as an “umbrella” for all the others. We’ll see. To answer the original question – what was it again? Oh, yeah! “Why The Recent Surge Of Magicians Moving Towards Mentalism?” Well, at the risk of offending the “regular” magicians, Mentalism is Magic on Steroids.
...what if I could read your mind?
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Stephen Young Inner circle Thought Illusions 3933 Posts |
DWRackley wrote: "Well, at the risk of offending the “regular” magicians, Mentalism is Magic on Steroids."
In my experience of this place it will be the "mentalists" who will be offended at the idea that what they do is magic in any form, on steroids or not. Apart from myself I only seem to be aware of mentalists who hate to be likened to magicians in any way as an example this quote is from the original post (the capitals however are mine) "why are all of YOU magicians all of a sudden coming over to mentalism" As for answering the original question. I'm not sure. There are some who say it may be because mentalism is perceived as easier, less props, no knuckle busting card moves et. In my experience mentalism is a *** sight harder to present than magic. So if people go into it thinking they're taking the easier route, they are in for a shock (if they want to perform it properly) steve |
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DWRackley Inner circle Chattanooga, TN 1909 Posts |
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On 2012-07-12 03:52, steveline wrote: You’re absolutely right. I’m even now writing 500 times “I will not refer to mentalists as magicians” on a tiny little billet that I will later burn up and rub the ashes on my arm where the name of your chosen card will appear right below the spot where I just stuck the bleeding hatpin. I know what you mean, Steve. Even though the fact is that we all “trick” people; maybe different methods, and vastly different presentations, but we all use secrets to fool people. Sigh, I’ve done it now, the storm is coming, I repent!
...what if I could read your mind?
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
What about illusionists?
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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parmenion Inner circle Switzerland/Zürich 3988 Posts |
What about brainless people?
“I love talking about nothing. It is the only thing I know anything about.”
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Stephen Young Inner circle Thought Illusions 3933 Posts |
Well it makes a nice change for it not to be me starting the fire.
Perhaps we should think of it as a piece of string; magic is at one end, mentalism at the other, and in the middle mental magic. It's not easy to see where an end stops and the middle begins. Or where the middle stops and the other end begins I suspect some would prefer to think of it as three separate pieces of string. Each one distinct from the other. However, in the minds of lay people, the three pieces have been tied together and no amount of dexterity can undo them. These thoughts are only my opinion and others are free to hold differing views. steve |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
Dai Vernon offered, "any performer who creates a mystery in the minds of a spectaror is a magician." The difference is whether you are pretending to defy some physical law as in conjury, or defying some perception of what is normal human mental capabilties. My mentor Arnold Furst quiped, "I call myself whatever necessary to separate myself from bad magicians, bad hypnotists and bad people."
Now the "stampede" to mentalism has many "bad" mentalists. How do you separate yourself from them? Methinks the key is the Expectations of the audience when you perform. If your name, title or proclaimed genre creates a certain expectation in the minds of the audience, do you deliver? Folks want to believe there is more to life than their feeble grasp of it, and enjoy demosntation that humans are capable of extraordinary things. Advancing science and technology has narrowed the field of possibilies of what is considerd impossible on the physical side, so it would seem natural that they seek "extraordinary" hope on the mental side. Do you deliver hope? Possibly performers should be less concerned over what they call themselves and more concerned over what the audience perceives they are doing. In this "astonishment business" you are pretending at something. Be clear on what that is, promise to do it, then deliver.
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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Stephen Young Inner circle Thought Illusions 3933 Posts |
steve |
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Dr Weevil Regular user 137 Posts |
As someone else making this transition, for me it's a natural progression towards the kind of effects that impress me the most as a spectator. When I was a kid I got into magic since that was what I'd been exposed to: even then, in the 'magic' books I was reading, it was the psychological subtleties they touched upon that got my imagination going more than anything else.
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
I made this transition many years ago and it was I think just a by-product of getting older myself. The more I see of young magicians whizz bang latest flashy card juggling for no reason apart from 'look at me, ain't I wonderful?', the more I pat myself on the back for making the right move years ago.
However, I don't think that anyone should be scared about this happening as the two things are very different animals and some just don't understand this at all. So those that don't understand the difference will by natural selection, fall by the wayside and those who make the transition will add to mentalism. So it's not all bad news.
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