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On 2012-07-13 14:07, ClintonMagus wrote:
...I wonder if someone will ever invent a computer-controlled floating ball apparatus that adjusts as necessary to remove the extraneous movements from the routine.


Did you see "The Voyager"? The link is above...
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I am getting into black art and have purchased Don Drakes books, and although the floating ball isn't necessarily related to black art, it will be worthwhile to make use of my backdrop.

I will have to experiment a lot with lighting, space & floating ball gimmicks.
The voyager looks great! I'm happy to manually figure it out for the time being.
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On 2012-07-13 14:07, ClintonMagus wrote:
...I wonder if someone will ever invent a computer-controlled floating ball apparatus that adjusts as necessary to remove the extraneous movements from the routine.


Did you see "The Voyager"? The link is above...


What I am thinking about goes far beyond that. Voyager still looks "unnatural" to me (for lack of a better term).
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The s answer is positively YES.

I’ve seen (and then directed the piece) a version where the object (far better in theme than a ball) is totally controlled by computer, electronics and remote.

The hook up was astounding and the configuration of the thr**d was absolute confounding. I’d never seen such a beautifully crafted illusion in my life.

It was done at close range to the audience and could even waft just over them. Nothing else like it ever.

All it needed was a just as imaginative presentation to bring the mechanics to life.
I can’t say more due to a confidentially agreement.

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Here is an amazing floating cube which I believe must be computer animated!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TVQpGZSl......a_player
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On 2012-07-14 17:43, scottds80 wrote:
Here is an amazing floating cube which I believe must be computer animated!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TVQpGZSl......a_player


That's pretty cool. It is a "member" of a larger production, and there is not as much heat on it as there would be if it were the centerpiece of a routine, so the jerky movements are not as objectionable as they might be otherwise.
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On 2012-07-14 17:43, scottds80 wrote:
Here is an amazing floating cube which I believe must be computer animated!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TVQpGZSl......a_player


I am more of the opinion it is not accomplished with computer animation or electronics as, these shows ususally only has a week to set anything up, and this would take months. I don't think Franz Harary would be a part of camera trickery.

I would say that any of Franz Harary's illusions are way beyond any of our budgets for illusion magic props.
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Yeah good point, it was very impressive for a weeks setup
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And here is an example of a "levitation" effect done surrounded!

Here is my problem with this. Experienced levitation masters note: The line is going to be visible by SOMEONE. In my experience, I've never been able to pull it off, even with the best I.T. I have.

You're always going to have the reflective, or direct light SOMEWHERE in that 360 area. Controlling the lighting only works on one side! Right? Can they do this in 360? I cannot imagine how...

Then again, I'm still back in the 90's with my knowledge. If no one saw the method in that entire audience, then yes, we have a WINNER here!

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Okito performed his floating ball also
in a circus !
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On 2012-07-15 15:23, john wills wrote:
Okito performed his floating ball also
in a circus !


Considering his method, that would be an ideal venue. Nothing like hiding something in plain sight! Smile
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Peter Tappan did the floating cube which was about 8" square. He did it in front of the procenium and nothing showed.

Mike Ching's work on floating is a very good reference.

A friend of mine was working a remotely controlled light bulb for Blackstone. I never came about for a variety of reasons.
But yes, without the proper presentation or story, the floating is meaningless.

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When I was a kid I saw Peter Tappan's Silver Cube and it blew me away. Maybe started my floating obession. It was tricky to work and sometimes did not go as planned which is maybe why I've never seen anyone but Peter perform it.

To see how far we've come with method refer to my post on the computer control above in this thread.

And oh! If you’ve followed my Café posts you know I am an compulsive fan of the Floating Ball in any form, you’ll also know I’ve done a heck of a lot of research on the topic.

I'm often asked for a good source for mastering a one-person Floating Ball that can be done under most circumstances, my answer is always the same… study Jeb Sherrill’s work.

Now you can see him live and in person. He’s doing a lecture and COMPREHENSIVE Workshop for Sterlini Magic during the week of the Abbott Magic’s Annual Get Together (an amazing event in itself) on new and old Zombie techniques. The Gathering is in Colon Michigan, August 1-4.

He’ll also share his masterful 2-DVD Set: Zombie Reanimated an encyclopedic examination of the effect, along with a great many quality props.

If you are going to Abbotts, add this workshop to your list!
If you’ve never been to the Gathering that’s a special treat too!

Magically, Walt

http://sterlinimagic.com/viewitem.php?productid=769
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On 2012-07-12 08:37, scottds80 wrote:
Clintonmagus I would very much appreciate that, I hope you can find it. If so let me know thanks!


I am sorry, but I haven't been able to locate this manuscript. A lot of this stuff is packed away, but I will try to find it by the weekend.
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Mike ching`s book would be in fact a good source for this typoe of effect... My father, did his floating ball very well on his 1980 show " Dante"... A lot of versions are outhere today but like it was said, the presentation and meaning of the routine is something that one should not run from... I feel it is not about method
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ClintonMagus:

"It would be expensive, but I wonder if someone will ever invent a computer-controlled floating ball apparatus that adjusts as necessary to remove the extraneous movements from the routine."

I am currently working on such a device. You are right about the costs, it is indeed very expensive.
So far I am at € 7500,- on hardware alone Smile
Not only for floating a Ball.
It is a 3D Flight system that can float anything up to several kilo's depending on the hardware setup which can be changed in modules Smile
The movement of the object is in all three axes.
Apart from being expensive it is very difficult to program (DMX) if you want to get natural/organic movement and it is only suitable for use in a theatre.
The prototype is working great and I am now building the final version (yup, investing even more money) that will be in my show that opens october/november.

Magical Greetz from Holland,
Peter van Rhein Smile
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Bill Hegbli,
On 07-13-2012 you made a small listhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=e4EyYMHuNlc
Lets not forget Blackstone and the Floating Lightbulb and
Finn Jon. Jon performed it also in a circus - Sarrasani. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla......yYMHuNlc
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Sorry for the double click!
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I remember growing up in France, being amazed by an elegant magician who did things no one else did. I remember specifically his cigar that produced bubbles that could bounce on invisible tennis rackets before becoming real tennis balls, and his floating silver ball. A one man hook-up where "flying" moments are cleverly mixed with effects that look more like an animated ball that performs tricks (same inspiration as Teller's Red Ball but with different technic of course). With enough magical knowledge you can figure out the hook-up, and you may be able to find some of his earliest books in which he shares some of his ideas. Please enjoy the attaché clip on YouTube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4EyYMHuNlc
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I would also recommend studying Alpha's discussing his floating flame (books + fire magic DVDs from Arteco). He has a very smart hook up for the "gimmick" that supports the flame, including how he modified the table to act as a "real". Obviously this design is adapted to the type of wire used (very brittle if folded) but you can easily adapt it to other types of floating ball.
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