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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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On 2012-07-14 11:34, LobowolfXXX wrote: I totally agree in theory. But in practice, I bet she'd end up having sex with one of the 99,999 men. Which I also would have no problem with, as long as it didn't take place on the front line. Actually, I'm not even sure that thatbothers me. As long as the front line doesn't become like Plato's Retreat, I guess I don't care one way or another. But I still think it's silly to think that men and women could take showers together--like in "Starship Troopers"--without getting aroused. Heck, that's a good reason WHY men and women might want to take showers with each other. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2012-07-14 08:17, landmark wrote: When we get to this advanced level we have to use the royal "hundredths."
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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I totally agree in theory. But in practice, I bet she'd end up having sex with one of the 99,999 men. I'd say I'd bet that she'd end up being raped by one of the 99,999 and no one would be punished. It's a huge, generally unacknowledged problem in the military. So, while I wanted to make my logical point which Bob and Lobo are in agreement with, I'm not going to pursue it further, because I think the larger issue is how can we stop sending boys and girls for use as cannon fodder. The rest can wait.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
Seems like you and I and Pakar are about the only anti-war people around. Or am I wrong? Sounds like a thread topic.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
I changed mymind. Toss 100 pounds of gear on those women and put them on point. There is absolutely no difference between men and women in fact askin the sex of a person on a document should be outlawed. Go get em ladies, have fun.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2012-07-13 13:44, Woland wrote: That last one on the beach... I think real soldiers would have more muscle tone
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
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There is absolutely no difference between men and women in fact askin the sex of a person on a document should be outlawed. Not a joke. Some people really think so. From a "correction" published in The Harvard Crimson: Quote:
An earlier version of this article used the pronoun “she” to refer to Vanidy “Van” Bailey, the newly appointed director of bisexual, gay, lesbian, transgender, and queer student life. In fact, Bailey prefers not to be referred to by any gendered pronoun. As Cicero said, (Oratio in Catilinam Prima in Senatu Habita), "O tempora! O mores!" |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
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I think real soldiers would have more muscle tone In an all-volunteer army, yes. With universal military service, maybe not so much. |
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
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On 2012-07-14 12:50, stoneunhinged wrote: I'm anti-war, but I don't think that will ever put a major dent in war's existence.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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On 2012-07-14 13:33, Steve_Mollett wrote: True enough. |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
I should say I did not hit on the super hot uzi girl. She would have shut me.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Right in the teeth with the jew's harp.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Yeah. Dark skin, green eyes...good stuff.
Don't they already let women be basic infantry? If so is the question why don't we shoot mor of them? |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2012-07-14 11:16, mastermindreader wrote: Lets carry this to the n th degree. Lets say we bring bck the draft. So according to you we should draft all the women then qualify them and find the 1 in 100,000 that is qualified. That sounds really cost efficient. We will put 100,000 women through the rigors of boot camp for x number of weeks and come up with 1 or 2 . That is a great plan. Does that make any sense to you? I have read here where you served in the armed forces if I am not mistaken. I did also in Nam and I have to be honest I have not seen a woman that I would want as my back up in what we encountered and had to endure. Call me sexist or whatever but if given the choice I will take the male every time in this situation. That is in no way putting down women but rather being realistic. I find it to difficult to find that 1 or 2 in 100,000 to make such a thing plausible. Combat is one thing and serving is another. Women definitely have their place in the armed forces and I will state again it is not in combat. This might sound familar, Believe what you want. I realize you say those that want to volunteer. But lets take it a step fuerther. How do you think their male counterparts will feel in a combat situation with a female team? That also has to be taken into consideration. I know my answer. Almost forgot. Lets ask our wives how they feel about this.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
As Stone has mentioned, I think, and others seconded, it's not only a question of whether women in general are qualified for combat roles, but the effect that mixing men and women in combat units can be expected to have on discipline and effectiveness.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Acesover-
Almost your entire response is irrelevant to what I wrote because I specifically states that my position was based on the fact that the military is now voluntary and that there IS NO DRAFT. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
It's also irrelevant, because you could draft women, put the ones suited for combat in combat roles, and put the other ones in different roles.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Yes, that's true, but since my argument was based on the fact that there presently is no draft, I saw no need to address that point, even though I agree with you.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
This is positively ridiculous. If something that is as ovbious as this cannot be agreed upon on this forum, nothing can.
You seemed to shy away from the question I asked how would their male counterparts feel about being supported in a life and death situation by females. What would your choice be? Now of course you will say the honorable thing and say if they are capable, yada yada and if you say that I will have to say you are full of it and you know it. You know you would want male back up in a life and death confrontation if strength and stamina come into play. You can agree with whomever you want on here and give me all the reasons you want but you are wrong and in a combat situation probably dead wrong. In all my experience in Nam I cannot think of one time where I feel a female would have made me feel as secure as my male counterparts did, NONE. I also feel that there decisions made that would not have been possible with a female present, yet these very decisions drew as closer together. Of course my response on the draft is irrevelant because it does not fit your agenda. Did you forget there used to be a draf?. Would you think differently if there was still a draft? What difference would it make? Lets see here. You are equal to your male counterpart but if you do not want to be drafted you don't' have to because...because why? That is the whole jist of this discussion. Why do we consider females different? Becauses they are. As I said in the beginning of this post I will repeat here: This is positively ridiculous. If something that is as ovbious as this cannot be agreed upon on this forum, nothing can. If someone said this forum has a green background I am sure someone would say it is not really green it only looks that way when viewed by humans because of the light specturm. Also some animals only see black and white so it is not green to them. Besides if we view it tinted glasses on it is no longer green, so green is only green if you view it under certain conditions. You will get some people to agree woith that nonsense. So if you want to believe that women are just as capable mentally, emotionally and physcially in a combat situation good for you. Believe what you want. I don't relly care. But if given the choice of who I want with me...well you know the answer to that. I really want to survive. It was difficult enough under the conditions we endured and if we employed females I am SURE I would not be here now.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
I think that if we can't agree that *some* women are more capable than *some* men in combat situations, than nothing can be agreed upon.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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