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I second Quick as a Wink that cybob mentioned. It actually passed the "wife" test.

The approach I took was to have her touch a card in the middle of the deck then simply leave it in place when in reality the card was brought to the bottom of the deck. Then I proceeded with the rest of the trick.

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Every time I pick one of these books up I find another trick I really like.

I think my overall favourite has to be Gemini Twins but there are certainly some gems within each book. Well worth the little they cost to buy.
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On 2012-11-22 13:15, Andy Moss wrote:
Peter Duffie has a lovely variation of Gemini twins called 'Foursome' that is worth hunting down. With it you can use the principle to either produce a four of a kind (such as the four queens for example) in a playing card deck or to force any four specific cards. This has numerous applications. For example one might create a false reading using tarot cards. One might also use alphabet cards that spell someone's name out or number cards that one might then work with/predict. For a purer mentalist presentation use colour or images on the face of the cards. The possibilities are many and diverse.


There is an application of Duffie's "Foursome" on Big Blind Media's Ultimate Self-working Card Tricks Vol. 2 DVD. Thank you again, Andy, for sending me a detailed PM about this principle of Duffie's almost exactly a year ago now! It was kind of you to take the time and trouble to do that.
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The Aces trick where their card ends up between the Ace of spades and clubs. So simple
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Whispering Joker...beautiful self-working trick.
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Speaking of credits:

I have a Karl Fulves ms. dated 1979 called Impromptu Opener. It's a routine of three card tricks, the first of which is clearly the so-called "Gemini Twins" effect though it is here called "Stopped Twice".

In the prefatory remarks, Fulves says, "The opening trick is an old prediction effect." In the description of the trick itself he says, "It goes back prior to 1940, yet it seems to be little known among magicians and consequently little used." While he does not specifically disclaim credit, unless Fulves was born well before 1940 it's hard to see how he could be the originator.

Anyone else have anything on this? While not the most urgent matter, it's a point of curiosity, for those of a certain mindset.
There are many tricks, and many effects, but rarely a Grand Effect. There are many entertainers, but few real magicians. Many technicians, but few artists who use their art to explore their vision. - Derren Brown, Absolute Magic
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On 2014-02-05 17:30, seraph127 wrote:
Speaking of credits:

I have a Karl Fulves ms. dated 1979 called Impromptu Opener. It's a routine of three card tricks, the first of which is clearly the so-called "Gemini Twins" effect though it is here called "Stopped Twice".

In the prefatory remarks, Fulves says, "The opening trick is an old prediction effect." In the description of the trick itself he says, "It goes back prior to 1940, yet it seems to be little known among magicians and consequently little used." While he does not specifically disclaim credit, unless Fulves was born well before 1940 it's hard to see how he could be the originator.

Anyone else have anything on this? While not the most urgent matter, it's a point of curiosity, for those of a certain mindset.




http://forums.geniimagazine.com/viewtopi......s#p38399
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On 2014-02-05 17:30, seraph127 wrote:
Speaking of credits:

I have a Karl Fulves ms. dated 1979 called Impromptu Opener. It's a routine of three card tricks, the first of which is clearly the so-called "Gemini Twins" effect though it is here called "Stopped Twice".

In the prefatory remarks, Fulves says, "The opening trick is an old prediction effect." In the description of the trick itself he says, "It goes back prior to 1940, yet it seems to be little known among magicians and consequently little used." While he does not specifically disclaim credit, unless Fulves was born well before 1940 it's hard to see how he could be the originator.

Anyone else have anything on this? While not the most urgent matter, it's a point of curiosity, for those of a certain mindset.




http://forums.geniimagazine.com/viewtopi......s#p38399


Thanks so much! I've been wondering about this for a while.

For the benefit of others, here's Max Maven's reply to Ryan Matney from the aforementioned Genie thread:

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[QB]Roberto Giobbi states that the effect/principle was first published in "The Jinx" no. 83 March 9, 1940 pg 535 credited not to Anneman but to Herb Rungie. Fulves was aware of the credit when he used the trick as part of a longer routine.
Not exactly. When Fulves first published the trick as part of a manuscript ("Gambler's Third Lesson" if memory serves) he knew the principle went back to the 1940s, but did not know the specific reference. He discovered the Rungie credit only in the last decade or so, and promptly put that information in print.
There are many tricks, and many effects, but rarely a Grand Effect. There are many entertainers, but few real magicians. Many technicians, but few artists who use their art to explore their vision. - Derren Brown, Absolute Magic
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Wow! I was about to pose the same question, and I came to this forum and there are so many suggestions! I love the Fulves card books, and have all of them which I acquired inexpensively or lightly used. (I also have overlap, as I didn't know that More SWCT was the second half of the compilation reprint Foolproof CT.) Some of his effects are a little too mathematical or complex for my taste, but the simple elegant ones, like some of the ones suggested above, are really nice. I am coming back to SOH card magic for the first time since boyhood, but I do like to break up the manipulation stuff with self-working mystifiers.

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On 2013-03-17 06:12, Claudio wrote:
Fulves's booklets on the riffle shuffle are very few and far between. Good luck getting one.


There is a chapter of the same name in More SWCTs (and therefore it is also in the compilation Foolproof Card Tricks). It is a short chapter, but perhaps the favourites from the rare booklet are to be found there?

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I am surprised that NO ONE has mentioned Ace Triumph toward the end of More Self-Working Card Tricks (also, of course, in the Foolproof Card Magic compilation).

This is a non-SOH trick, of course, but it requires a deft approach (not that hard to achieve) that convinces the spectator that the cards are topsy-turvy then magically restored except for the reversed aces. The series of multiple cuts and flips prior to the (genuine) riffle shuffle is quite convincing.

With a little SOH the trick is easily adapted to the traditional Triumph effect by controlling and reversing a selection however one chooses to do it before proceeding with the cuts and shuffle as in Fulves. I love the Triumph routine and now have numerous ways to do it, a couple with a gaffed deck and a few more, including this one, with a regular deck.

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I just consulted my copy of MSWCT, and I discovered to my surprise that I had marked "Ace Triumph" with a star.

I have too ***ed many books, I guess...
There are many tricks, and many effects, but rarely a Grand Effect. There are many entertainers, but few real magicians. Many technicians, but few artists who use their art to explore their vision. - Derren Brown, Absolute Magic
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For "Open Prediction" fans (all nine of 'em, heh), Fulves has a version in MSWCT in which the spectator does all the work. This in itself should appeal to those who start threads asking for miraculous card tricks without sleights and done out of the magician's hands.
There are many tricks, and many effects, but rarely a Grand Effect. There are many entertainers, but few real magicians. Many technicians, but few artists who use their art to explore their vision. - Derren Brown, Absolute Magic
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On 2014-02-11 02:11, seraph127 wrote:
I just consulted my copy of MSWCT, and I discovered to my surprise that I had marked "Ace Triumph" with a star.

I have too ***ed many books, I guess...


On the recommendation of the Café contributors I got pretty well all of the Dover Fulves card books, new or lightly used, over a three week period. I even got MSWCT before I realized it was bundled in the "Foolproof" book with the now hard-to-get New SWCT. (Anyone in the Toronto area who wants to take it off my hands for a couple of unopened packs of Bikes, blue preferred, can PM me.) That, plus Royal Road, Expert Card Technique, the Hugard Encyclopedia, Erdnase, Buckley, a couple of coin books, plus Bikes, Tallys, and--now in the post--Phoenixes. And I just got back in to card magic before Christmas Smile

Too many books, too many decks of cards, etc. Drives my wife crazy. But I could be into golfing, classic cars, or women half my age, so magic isn't so bad Smile

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Roger that, Les. Smile
There are many tricks, and many effects, but rarely a Grand Effect. There are many entertainers, but few real magicians. Many technicians, but few artists who use their art to explore their vision. - Derren Brown, Absolute Magic
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I second Quick as a Wink.
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On 2014-02-13 14:57, seraph127 wrote:
Roger that, Les. Smile


Oh! Forgot to mention the Mimesis order that just arrived today. Svengali, Mirage, Stripper, BW, ID, etc. Mr. Evans does some fine work.
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Roger that, Les. Smile


Oh! Forgot to mention the Mimesis order that just arrived today. Svengali, Mirage, Stripper, BW, ID, etc. Mr. Evans does some fine work.


I bought one of his "54 Locator" decks some time back.

Impressive...
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On 2012-11-25 03:05, Hushai wrote:
Does anyone know "Voodoo Clue," from "My Best Self-Working Card Tricks"? It is the cleverest, least obvious use of the Automatic Placement I have ever seen.


I do like it, but with the multiple steps and dealing and card shifting and counting, etc., I fear the savvy spectator will conclude it is entirely mathematical and will not be too bowled over. There are cleaner and simpler effects in the Fulves works with a lot more punch.

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On 2012-11-25 03:05, Hushai wrote:
Does anyone know "Voodoo Clue," from "My Best Self-Working Card Tricks"? It is the cleverest, least obvious use of the Automatic Placement I have ever seen.


I do like it, but with the multiple steps and dealing and card shifting and counting, etc., I fear the savvy spectator will conclude it is entirely mathematical and will not be too bowled over. There are cleaner and simpler effects in the Fulves works with a lot



But, the presentation should EMPHASIZE the math, and claim that there are little-known
mathematical connections between the cards, even in a shuffled deck, that enable the initiated to predict a card in one group just from an examination of the apparently unrelated cards in the other group. In this trick the rigamarole of a math-based trick should be played UP, not down. It will drive anyone who thinks you're somehow really doing what you say crazy.
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