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Hi James Wiggs here. Check out our new illusion called FENCED IN. Scott Emo, Peter Loughran and I have been working on this for some time. Hope you enjoy it. This is the You-Tube video of Scott Emo performing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMI_n-0Ew6U
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Look fresh,easy and perfect! Sergey.
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I like the concept. IMO the curtain shouldn't cover the feet.

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Randi is right on this. If the audience perceives a discernable method (and, clearly, there is an apparently discernable method here), whether correct or not, if it satisfies all the questions they may raise, then any magical effect is lost.
It's all in the reflexes.
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But you can say that about every magic trick in the world.

As I said before in another thread:

Well I suppose the important thing is then, is that it's the wrong conclusion. Because coming to some kind of conclusion will happen with every magic trick.

Most magicians have a hard time watching magic without trying to figure it out from the get-go. that's just what most magicians do. Their brains are trained to "try and figure it out". Not all layment look at magic this way, in fact in my 30 years of performing experience, most do not.

However there are a few who do, and they will be the ones who will always draw their own conclusion just like Randi did above, but whether it be right or wrong. Most of these types of laymen will draw a conclusion for every magic trick they see(again whether it be right or wrong).

I remember performing the Zig-Zag lady when I was in high school, and had a few people (mostly the know-it-alls who thought they were better than everyone else and certainly smarter than any magician...you know the type) and they searched me out after the show and told me the illusion was done with a mirror in the middle. They took the time to find me after the show because they really wanted me to know what they were thinking, I guess to make sure that I knew that I didn't 'fool' them.

I laughed inside to myself after they told me they thought it was done with a mirror, but politely told them that their idea was incorrect, they said it had to be it, it was the only logical conclusion, although it really isn't if one actually sits down and thinks about it, espicially since I waived my hand through the middle section at one point during performance. But there was no telling them otherwise, short of actually telling them the real secret. Does that mean the zig-zag was not a good illusion? Of course not.

I think the fact that an illusion draws the wrong conclusion means its done exactly what it was supposed to do. Because lets face it, most magicians and yes some lay people will always try and draw a conclusion whether it be right or wrong, its just in their nature, and this goes for EVERY MAGIC TRICK IN THE WORLD, not just Fenced In.

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On 2012-08-27 12:23, Illucifer wrote:
Randi is right on this. If the audience perceives a discernible method (and, clearly, there is an apparently discernible method here), whether correct or not, if it satisfies all the questions they may raise, then any magical effect is lost.


I have to disagree with that statement. I know how the secrets of hundreds of tricks, but I always like to see a good presentation of a trick.

Do you mean we should all throw out our Linking Rings, because everyone pretty much comes to the same conclusion on this one.

I have know experienced layman saying, all your tricks were using a trick deck. Are you then saying, no one should ever show a card trick, because everyone always thinks it is a trick deck, even when we know it is not.
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I remember performing the Zig-Zag lady when I was in high school, and had a few people (mostly the know-it-alls who thought they were better than everyone else and certainly smarter than any magician...you know the type) and they searched me out after the show and told me the illusion was done with a mirror in the middle. They took the time to find me after the show because they really wanted me to know what they were thinking, I guess to make sure that I knew that I didn't 'fool' them.

I laughed inside to myself after they told me they thought it was done with a mirror, but politely told them that their idea was incorrect, they said it had to be it, it was the only logical conclusion, although it really isn't if one actually sits down and thinks about it, espicially since I waived my hand through the middle section at one point during performance. But there was no telling them otherwise, short of actually telling them the real secret.



Ok - so maybe ZigZag is not done with mirrors - but I know for sure "Fenced In" is. I also strongly suspect that the Broom Thru Body I just purchased is also done with mirrors (sorry if I revealed too much).
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Well I got screwed cause my broom thru body is not done with mirrors. It is done with a broom.

Doh

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Yea - The Mirror Images, and yours isn't done using mirrors....go figure.
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Who is this randi you speak of? Was their post deleted?
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On 2012-08-28 00:13, w_s_anderson wrote:
Who is this randi you speak of? Was their post deleted?


Scott -

They are referring to the discussion on another thread, from the "Latest and Greatest?" area:

Magic Café thread titled... Peter Loughr......Illusion

- Donald
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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Absolutely not true that audiences will satisfy themselves with a solution to every trick or illusion. A well-crafted illusion (and I refer to physical design, concept, routining, motivation, etc.) will effectively raise those questions in the audience's minds and subsequently jerk their conclusions out from beneath them like the proverbial carpet, leaving them empty handed. At every turn they'll say "It must be such-and-such", only to be shortly followed by, "Oh, it can't be such-and-such because so-and-so just happened".

There are many wonderful illusions which, on the whole, leave spectators dumbfounded, throwing up their arms in surrender saying "I don't have a clue. How'd he/she do that?". That's what a great illusion accomplishes. You should strive to settle for no less.
It's all in the reflexes.
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Sorry but it is ture in many cases. Maybe not all, but definatly some. These people exist, plain and simple. Again from my personal experience I have seen and lived it illucifer. Like I said about the ZigZag in my post above, those people wouldn't accept the fact that it was not done with mirrors, the only way I would've been able to convince them otherwise was to tell them how it really worked. Are you suggesting the zigzag is not a good illusion? Everyone is different and so are their brains and thoughts when they see an illusion performed.

Many will come to conclusions regardless of the illusion, I have personally experienced it with some of the worlds greatest illusions, and witnessed it with people watching other magicians perform these great illusions too. Yes what YOU suggest will happen with some people, absolutely! I never said it wouldn't(just like what I suggest will happen)and that is the simple truth(don't kid yourself to think otherwise, or to prove your point on something that is simply impossible-all people thinking the same when they see an illusion). Some people will come to conclusions when they see ANY illusion, period. I know several people like this personally. And there is no chainging their minds, even when I point out obvious flaws in their theories. There is nothing you can say to change my mind, because I have already lived what I am saying, and I know many many magicians who have experienced the same thing. That is all I am saying, I suppose we can agree to disagree.

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I watched a magician a few years ago at a theme park and after ever illusion or trick the people behind us said it's done with strings.
It could be an illusion and not even a levitation.. They even said it after the torn and restord paper.
People in the audience make me laugh.
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Zig-Zag is a wonderful illusion. One of the best.
Never said everybody. That's why I said "on the whole". Nevertheless, some tricks are better than others. It does not all come down to the performance, as so many are fond of saying. There are such things as bad tricks: badly constructed, poor methodology, bad conceptually, etc.
It's all in the reflexes.
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Hmmm "Whole" means "ALL" to me! So you agree with me then after all that SOME people will come to a conclusion on ANY illusion they see!

Hey Taylor thanks for sharing the story! There are a lot of these people out there! But as I said, at least they come to the wrong conclusion.
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I think at the end of the day you should make sure you answered this question.

Did you entertain the audience? Did the audience get enterained by your act?

Us magicians always loose focus on what we do. We are a bunch of fakes who have to sell ourselves on something we want people to believe in. It is about taking people out of reality. doesn't matter what you did or how you did it. Magic is a style of entertainment.

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It absolutely matters what you do and how you do it, otherwise why not just walk out onstage as take a p*ss?
Of course, entertainment is a goal, but it's not the only one. First and foremost, if one is performing magic, the goal is to amaze the audience. If your only goal is to entertain, then don't do magic, please. Your aim should be to absolutely dumbfound the audience and entertain them in the process.
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[quote]On 2012-08-31 12:58, Illucifer wrote:
It absolutely matters what you do and how you do it, otherwise why not just walk out onstage as take a p*ss?
Of course, entertainment is a goal, but it's not the only one. First and foremost, if one is performing magic, the goal is to amaze the audience. If your only goal is to entertain, then don't do magic, please. Your aim should be to absolutely dumbfound the audience and entertain them in the process.

[end of quote]

LOL---For the record, you can take a **** while performing Fenced In, as long as it is not an electric fence that you are ****ing on". But I restrained myself.

James Wiggs
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The problem is that with using elastics that people think you just crawled through them and since most of your body is covered by the curtain why wouldn't this be the case? (in their minds)
A penetration is magical if the object is impossible to penetrate like a mirror or steel plate.
Steel cables, an electric fence, chains or barb wire would be better for this illusion to be more effective!
Maybe there is a way to make it more magical looking like using a smaller curtain or by finding a way to prove to the audience that you are not just crawling through the elastic fence? (by letting them try first for example)

concerning the Zig zag:
When I first saw the Zig Zag, performed by a local magician, I thought there was a black piece of fabric covering the girl because it was performed in dim lights against a black backdrop.
Then I saw Harbins video and I was fooled.
It wasn't the fault of the illusion but of the local magician who didn't understand how to present this illusion!
Some (most) magicians don't get the initial concept the inventor had in mind and they diminishing the impact by using their own 'improvements'.
It's like Steinmeyers origami, the mirror is very important for several reasons, take it away and you lose it's impact!
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