The Magic Café
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Latest and Greatest? » » Spin-it by David Frampton-Free Download-Balcony Productions! (3 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

 Go to page [Previous]  1~2
Angelo Carbone
View Profile
V.I.P.
1290 Posts

Profile of Angelo Carbone
Quote:
On 2012-10-02 15:16, ABK-Magic wrote:
Hey Angelo,

concerning credits, this idea goes way back to 1936 Tom Seller's "New Principle Card Trick". From this time on a lot of magicians used this variation in different effects, for example Harry Lorane, Bruce Cervone and Larry Jennings just to name a few. And when Dave showed us the effect we did our research on this as we always do. And because it is almost 100 years old, we saw it as a classic and we just made the classic a bit more modern.

I wish you all the best

Alex


Hi Alex!

Thanks for the reply.

Tom Seller's New Principle Card Trick did not involve any rivets or bolts or fastenings. It looked different and handling was different. The effect and method combo is unique to me. If the exact effect and method combination was in print 100 years ago then fine, but it wasn't. I am suprised that you have managed to find out variations from Lorane, Cervone, Jennings and others but you did not come across mine which is 18 years old, has been on the market, on youtube, on websites, on review sites and other forums and even written about in my Genii cover story. I take offence you left me out ;-)

For my reference, can you please PM me a list of the variations as used by the names you listed and the others (to name but a few) as I think it would be good for me to know the full history should I need to give credit.

Many thanks!

Angelo
The Gift: Trick of the Year 2017
My YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/themagicinventor
Magic SMS 2: http://apple.co/2nuxewr
Notion of Motion: http://www.risingcard.co.uk
abra_kadabra
View Profile
New user
8 Posts

Profile of abra_kadabra
Hi Angelo,

I didn't contradict myself, I just didn't explain myself very clearly Smile What I meant was that it was impossible to find every single version of the effect. I did carry out research with the help of Alex, asked friends and so on...But unfortunately I didn't come across you or your effect (It was impossible to research fully). Also thanks for your research advice, I appreciate it.

Alex has stated some of the people that have used the method and the only addition to these that I can make is an effect by Dennis Behr and something I found on MagicShop.co.uk which I have forgotten the name of and I can't seem to find any more, but these were both quite recent. I do find it hard to believe that in the time between the first release of this method in 1936 and 1994 (58 years) that you were the FIRST person to come up with the idea of using a bolt/pivot point between the cards. Especially considering I came up with it independently within 10 mins sat at my PC playing with the original method/idea. However, I do not have the resources to find out weather you were indeed the first.

But in any case, I will happily credit you on the website should you wish. Please rest assured I was not being sarcastic. If I am in the wrong, I will happily throw my hands up and do what I can to make it right. But I am not in the wrong, I just didn't find you in my research. You sound like you are being a little condescending in your response to my message. I hope not Smile (Just kidding).

Kind regards,

Dave
Zombie Magic
View Profile
Inner circle
I went out for a beer and now have
8737 Posts

Profile of Zombie Magic
"Abra,-abra-cadabra
I want to reach out and grab ya"

...Steve Miller
abra_kadabra
View Profile
New user
8 Posts

Profile of abra_kadabra
"Zombie, Zombie, Zombie Nation"

...Kernkraft 400
Angelo Carbone
View Profile
V.I.P.
1290 Posts

Profile of Angelo Carbone
Ok one more post from me and that's it. So let's presume I didn't create the effect and Denis Behr did. Don't you think it would have been nice to credit Denis on a similar use of the principle? There are zero credits to any names in the video. Not even Tom Sellers.
I still await your PM with the tricks you say use the same method. I would hate to think you were lying and just speaking generally just to make it sound you did do some research. Prove me wrong and I shall eat my hat. ;-)
The Gift: Trick of the Year 2017
My YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/themagicinventor
Magic SMS 2: http://apple.co/2nuxewr
Notion of Motion: http://www.risingcard.co.uk
abra_kadabra
View Profile
New user
8 Posts

Profile of abra_kadabra
Hi Angelo,

As Alex has already explained to you in an email, which, among other things you seem to have conveniently overlooked or ignored, we didn't credit those people because it will instantly let people know how those effects work. I also resent the fact that you have implied I am lying, and in no way should I have to prove myself to you. But I have sent you a PM anyway with the resources I had along with an explanation of what you seem to have not read or misunderstood (weather you accept them or not, I don't care).

I have been friendly, open for discussion, accepting of your opinion and have offered to rectify the whole crediting thing, just to be met with condescension, incorrect implications and selective reading. So this too is my last message to you, and I would like to finish up by saying you are an exceptionally creative magician and I applaud the success that you have had. I wish you all the best for the future.

Kind regards,

Dave

** Please forward all further communication regarding this matter to Alex@balconyproductions.com **
Angelo Carbone
View Profile
V.I.P.
1290 Posts

Profile of Angelo Carbone
Hi Dave,

I obviously can't count or read as I am replying now. I can change my mind.

Thanks for your PM and listing only one name as a source - Denis Behr. A variation he did some years after mine. Quite a good number short from the "numerous magicians who have used it on various effects". I thought it was too good to be true.

No incorrect implications on my part. Your resource list of "numerous magicians" - one name, shows that to me. Also I can read very well thank you! I can even read between the lines and spot your sarcasm and arrogance. Smile

All of this could have been avoided if people make more of an effort to research.

It sounds like a good game plan... to come up with a trick, afterwards realise it could be similar to an existing trick on the market, but expose it anyway and get out of crediting by justifying it would expose the marketed trick's secret. Here's an idea... how about not releasing a video in the first place?

Thanks for your wishes.

Ditto!

Angelo.
The Gift: Trick of the Year 2017
My YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/themagicinventor
Magic SMS 2: http://apple.co/2nuxewr
Notion of Motion: http://www.risingcard.co.uk
tomsk192
View Profile
Inner circle
3889 Posts

Profile of tomsk192
Quote:
On 2012-10-02 20:39, abra_kadabra wrote:
Hi Angelo,

....we didn't credit those people because it will instantly let people know how those effects work. I also resent the fact that you have implied I am lying...


Oh sweet Jayzus...
Angelo Carbone
View Profile
V.I.P.
1290 Posts

Profile of Angelo Carbone
Dave I apologise for saying some unfavorable things. I should know better.

Frustration got the better of me.

Angelo.
The Gift: Trick of the Year 2017
My YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/themagicinventor
Magic SMS 2: http://apple.co/2nuxewr
Notion of Motion: http://www.risingcard.co.uk
abra_kadabra
View Profile
New user
8 Posts

Profile of abra_kadabra
Thanks Angelo,

I too apologize for anything I have said or done that made you frustrated. It wasn't intentional.

Dave
jackaboy
View Profile
Veteran user
universities aren't interested in my
303 Posts

Profile of jackaboy
I actually like playing with this
i use a brass fastener
you can do it have the cards signed then punched fasten transpose then rip off to leave you examinable
Slackerking
View Profile
Special user
606 Posts

Profile of Slackerking
On the second page already and it's mostly a bunch of whining about a free gift, and people needing their ego stroked. Thank you for posting something out of the kindness of your hearts. Sadly that's not enough for some. But it's appreciated.
tophatter
View Profile
Inner circle
connecticut
2535 Posts

Profile of tophatter
I agree It's Free ! Get over it ! he is nice enough to do this .
J-Mac
View Profile
Inner circle
Ridley Park, PA
5272 Posts

Profile of J-Mac
I sure hope these "bunch of whining" and "Get over it..." comments aren't in reference to Angelo Carbone's posts. Otherwise I'm not sure which posts you're talking about.

Thank you.

Jim
rowland
View Profile
Inner circle
1223 Posts

Profile of rowland
Quote:
On Apr 18, 2016, Slackerking wrote:
On the second page already and it's mostly a bunch of whining about a free gift, and people needing their ego stroked. Thank you for posting something out of the kindness of your hearts. Sadly that's not enough for some. But it's appreciated.


I agree the fact that some people,have the cheek,to criticise something that they are getting for free is unbelievable. What total ar ******s
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Latest and Greatest? » » Spin-it by David Frampton-Free Download-Balcony Productions! (3 Likes)
 Go to page [Previous]  1~2
X
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2019 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.25 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL