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Get ready to be taken in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T4xbc-FOx0&feature=plcp

No matter what routine you perform, I think it wise to study Al Schneider's thinking on the cups and balls. It can only enhance what you already do.
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Woooooow

awesome presentation al.
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Yup, didn't see it coming. Verrrry cool, thanks for posting that!
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It looks like Al sell a pdf teaching it:

http://www.omenquest.com/wmcsales/aaau.htm

Has anyone learned this that can comment?
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Not yet

but would be great to buy a teaching dvd on his version. perhaps he will
shoot it one day?

looking forward on this beautiful routine
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Quote:
On 2012-09-12 21:53, rasmus wrote:
Not yet

but would be great to buy a teaching dvd on his version. perhaps he will
shoot it one day?

looking forward on this beautiful routine

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S4632

It's not the sameexact routine, but some moves are in this dvd
Nico.
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The video in the OP would be great for illustrating the concept of being one step (or two or three steps) ahead of the audience. Smile
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Al's Cups and Balls routine is explained in great detail in his book, "Al Schneider Magic", along with several dozen photos. Great routine! And his loading moves are so different from most I have read. Good stuff, as always.

Thanks!

Jim
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No matter what routine you perform, I think it wise to study Al Schneider's thinking on the cups and balls. It can only enhance what you already do.

:applause:
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It's also in his BIG BOOK: Al Schneider Magic by L&L - which I heartily endorse!
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Al's routine with Donnie's cups...sounds like a winner to me! Smile Fantastic routine Al!
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I met Al a year ago here at the Houdini Club Convention in Green Bay, bought his book and spent some time with Al.

Al's a trip!
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On 2012-09-12 21:53, rasmus wrote:
Not yet

but would be great to buy a teaching dvd on his version. perhaps he will
shoot it one day?

looking forward on this beautiful routine

And he has!

http://www.llpub.com/2012/10/al-schneider-cups-balls/

We're pleased to announce two new DVDs from Al Schneider. His innovative work on The Cups & Balls and the other DVD with some amazing new moves with The Linking Rings:

http://www.llpub.com/2012/10/al-schneider-the-linking-rings/
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Yup, didn't see it coming. Verrrry cool, thanks for posting that!
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I'm a huge fan of Albert's magic and his philosophy of it. This is precisely the reason why I have a problem with his approach to climaxes in almost all of his most brilliant effects.
My favorite ones are his Crossed Card Smile and his slow and peaceful version of Chink a Chink Smile
Al is not only brilliant in his effects, he also is a very consistent thinker. Hence my interrogations: he must have some reason behind his approach to weak climaxes but never (to my knowledge) explained it. Why would a strong climax be prevented from being "truly" magical without letting the effect slide into "theatrical" magic?
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I don't want to speak for Al, but I believe I recall his book talking about wanting to be able to carry the whole effect in a compact bag- I know there were other reasons. I agree that the ending does not hit you between the eyes.
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About strong climaxes.
There are many things I would like to say about this.
unfortunately I have been hit on this forum with a lot of people that just want to tear me down.
That causes me to go into defend mode. So, communicating becomes difficult.
I will just throw some things out.

Many classics of magic do not, historicaly, have climaxes.
Linking rings, Misers dream. Some magicians have attempted to add climaxes to them.

Also I did not read it in any rules of how to perform magic that says there should be a climax.

And who would be briliant enough to write such a book. In other words, who sez so?

Then look at the principles involved with virtual magic. The point here is that solid virtual magic hammers the audience. But they are so stunned, they can't speak. Theater magic gets them to react verbally but they can pass off the event and say, "He is quick with his hands." That is, often the climax marks the end of a trick but is not as strong as the first phase of the routine. Most coin across routines suffer from this. My goal is to start strong and end stronger.

Take Matrix for example. When I perform it the audience sits there in disbeilief. It would be a crime to cheat them out of that moment.

When I perform Cross Cards, the audience responds as if hearing a wonderful piece of music or watching a beautiful ballet.

It just doesn't make sense to dump a big coin on the table and have them say, "Boy, I didn't see that mud on the birthday cake comming."

I admit I operate on a different level. Some of this stuff is not for table hopping or bar work. But then, that situation requires a different style.

Here is anotehr thought. I attempt to make routines that set up for a perfect finish. Cone and Coin is a good example. Two coins change places. It happens four times. The first three are a bit dirty. But the fourth happens without doing anything. The idea here is that during the first three the audience is being educated on what the trick is. By the fourth they know what is going to happen and bring heat on every move. But there is no move as the first three events set up for the last. Thus, the audience increases the heat on the last and sees nothng but magic occur. Isn't that a good finish? Perfect magic happens. Then some out there want to dump a big coin onto the table.


Well, that is some of my thoughts.

My intention is to do magic for people. Really good magic. I am not interested in following some rules others seem to have written. I guess that's what makes me different. To be clear, if I thought some kind of big finish would enhance the effect, I would certinly work in that direction. With cups and balls, I have taken that direction. And by the way, I think standard big ball reveals are in error. But that is another story.

While we are talking about it all, I would like to point out that I think the oriental bowl routine in the latest DVD is spectacular. I think my performance there is not as it could be. But the concept is powerful. The plan was to make a cup and ball routine in the style of Japenes tea cermonies. The goal was not to create stunning magic but capture something of a distant culture. All of this has great meaning to me becasue the powerful Samuri studied the sword and things like the tea ceremony. My goal was to create something more like a dance than a magic performance. I think doing it right would take a lifetime. In that routine, the finish with a burst of silks is very appropriate and pleasing to the flow of the routine. I do not think it generates a shock at the end but a welling up of emotion of something that is beautiful.

Well, all the best.
Sorry about the errors here.
Kinda in a rush.

Al Schneider
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Hi Al,

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I very much appreciate your thoughts.

-Brian
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I purchased Al's latest DVD to see his explanations of the LA cups, as I have his e-book on that routine. The pleasant surprise on that DVD is the oriental bowl routine. It is well worth watching and I plan some work in that direction.

Mark
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Al's a great thinker.
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