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No, no Tony! I'm calling myself a hack. Ha haa! I'd never perform for TV! You guys'd probably ban me from the Café! LOL! Making a living from magic must be tough. I have struggled with more than one sleight, or method. Audiences can be brutal!

I call myself a "hack" after watching a video I made, practicing the Cups & Balls. I flashed every load, and my sleight of hand is...atrocious! So, I tend to kick myself. Good thing I have not performed this for people.

What I am really glad to hear, is it has not hurt your business one bit. I am just discouraged at my own luck with this Valentino debacle.

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The big problem is he made exposing magic a part of the business and changed the paradigm from keeping the secret to "I know how it's done and I'll show everyone to gain notoriety." He's made that behavior acceptable when it never was before. Inventors felt okay selling their magic to other magicians because they believed they would never expose it to the public. Now you never know when the secret of your invention will be instantly revealed to non-magicians and Valentino made that a business model.
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On 2012-09-24 01:55, Steve Burton wrote:
The big problem is he made exposing magic a part of the business and changed the paradigm from keeping the secret to "I know how it's done and I'll show everyone to gain notoriety."

No he didn't. Exposure has always been a part of magic. Magic sets, tricks on the back of cereal boxes, in christmas crackers, etc. All he did was do it on television.
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So, they teach the jam cube on cereal boxes? Or how to do the russian roulette nail trick in christmas crackers? Interesting....
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So, they teach the jam cube on cereal boxes? Or how to do the russian roulette nail trick in christmas crackers? Interesting....



If they did it wouldn't have any more effect on magic as a whole than when they detailed the sawing in half and other major illusions on cigarette packs.


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Matt, I never heard of the Jam Cube illusion. The first youtube clip I saw of it, and the method was painfully obvious. You don't need the masked magician - or a christmas cracker - if you want to know how that is done.

The masked magician did nothing different than what was done for centuries before. He just did it on television. That's all I am saying. He changed nothing, damaged nothing. Magic is the same as it always was.
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On 2012-09-25 05:57, TonyB2009 wrote:
Matt, I never heard of the Jam Cube illusion. The first youtube clip I saw of it, and the method was painfully obvious. You don't need the masked magician - or a christmas cracker - if you want to know how that is done.

The masked magician did nothing different than what was done for centuries before. He just did it on television. That's all I am saying. He changed nothing, damaged nothing. Magic is the same as it always was.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard!

You have no verifiable way to judge the damage done to Magic. Perhaps without Valentino's constant exposures Magic would be as popular in the states as it is in Japan or other countries!

Please tell me of all the remarkable stage illusions that have been invented because of Valentino's betrayal?

Certainly Valentino himself has added NOTHING to take the place of what he destroyed!

He wore a mask because it was SHAMEFUL!!! That simple!
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You have no verifiable way to judge the damage done to Magic.

Neither do you. Yet it doesn't stop you spouting rubbish on a regular basis. Anyway, I thought you were in favour of exposure, as long as someone pays enough for it. Or have you changed your position again?
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On 2012-09-27 01:49, Slim King wrote:
You have no verifiable way to judge the damage done to Magic.

Neither do you. Yet it doesn't stop you spouting rubbish on a regular basis. Anyway, I thought you were in favour of exposure, as long as someone pays enough for it. Or have you changed your position again?
Now that's the second stupidest thing I've ever heard. Smile

Tony .. Your Hero wears a mask because he is Shameful and you bear the shame when you support exposure to the masses for free!!!!
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What evidence do you have that I support exposure for free, as opposed to your hyper-ethical stance that it is all right as long as you are paying for it? Your way strikes me as a bit mercenary, to be honest.
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"Perhaps without Valentino's constant exposures Magic would be as popular in the states as it is in Japan or other countries! "

Fortunately Japan had no access to Fox television, and no one in Japan can access any of the copious Masked Magician clips available on YouTube. Either that, or other things determine how popular magic is, in addition to the relatively slight influence of this long-canceled TV show.

There are dozens of Zarrow Shuffle "tutorials" on YouTube and elsewhere - yet close-up card magic somehow endures, false shuffles and all. Overheated rants about the supposed devastation done to magic makes magic look far worse than this TV show - forgotten by all but a few victimized zealots - ever did.

Do better magic.
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I took a look at the AMA thread of his on Reddit. It had only 254 comments. On Reddit, a cute picture of a cat will get more attention than that _every single day_.
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Q. Valentino, after what you did to magic and magicians...how do you sleep at night?
A. On a giant pile of money with many naked ladies.
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On 2012-09-28 13:15, R.E. Byrnes wrote:
"Perhaps without Valentino's constant exposures Magic would be as popular in the states as it is in Japan or other countries! "

Fortunately Japan had no access to Fox television, and no one in Japan can access any of the copious Masked Magician clips available on YouTube. Either that, or other things determine how popular magic is, in addition to the relatively slight influence of this long-canceled TV show.

There are dozens of Zarrow Shuffle "tutorials" on YouTube and elsewhere - yet close-up card magic somehow endures, false shuffles and all.
There's a difference - to find the tutorials, you do need to already know what to look for. I.e. you need to know enough already to be familiar with terms like Zarrow Shuffle, the Pass, etc. Not the same thing as "Secrets of Magic Exposed".

A lot of the core secrets have been available in books for the best part of a century (or more) - but it didn't harm the profession, because the exposure was self-limiting - you had to be sufficiently interested to buy a book (or get it from a library, as I did when I was a teenager). Nowadays anyone (at least anyone obnoxious enough) who sees a trick can google it on their smart-phone in real time, and humiliate the magician during their performance - as Doug attested.

It doesn't mean magic is going to die, but it does mean that people will get hurt. For one thing, it's particularly going to hurt those who make a living selling magic, because some greedy sellout like Valentino can buy their product for $20, $50, or a few hundred dollars, then make a profit (or just feed their ego) by exposing it. Which means that nobody else need buy it at all, if the secret is all in the method. And even if it involves apparatus, once the secret's exposed, the potential market for sales is drastically reduced - why pay for an effect that won't impress many people, since a significant part of any potential audience may already know how it's done?

And this is apart from the damage to many ordinary bread-and-butter performers who lack the time or ability to invent new and original effects faster than they can be exposed. To glibly dismiss their predicament by telling them to get more original sounds callous and elitist, if you'll forgive my saying so.

Thus to claim that no harm is done, seems short-sighted or naive.
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I was under the impression The Masked Magician was quite popular in Japan and has appeared on television there frequently.

As for the mask, as it's never been much of a secret who he is, I thought he wore it because he's ashamed he's such a $#@!ing bad magician.

I've only watched a couple of episodes of his show over the years to see what it was like, and I can't remember anything he did, only how badly he did it.
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On 2012-10-26 11:04, Destiny wrote:
...As for the mask, as it's never been much of a secret who he is, I thought he wore it because he's ashamed he's such a $#@!ing bad magician.


Bingo! Smile

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"To glibly dismiss their predicament by telling them to get more original sounds callous and elitist, if you'll forgive my saying so."

Magic could stand a major dose of elitism. It's inconceivable that someone playing in a major orchestra or publishing literature or curating paintings for a museum would lament "elitism" in the field. Of course if magic wants to continue to occupy the place right between juggling and mime in the performing arts hierarchy, that's different. If not: Again, get more original, toss out those wedge-base illusions, and stop complaining about a long-forgotten, middling TV show.
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Problem is, once we forget about it, the Aholes at Fox could bring it back worse and more vicious than ever. It's always the sword of Domocles hanging over our head. Pabdora's box has been opened, and it's naive to assume it's empty now. IMHO.
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Do they still air Masked Magician stuff? I haven't seen it in years. Then again, I don't watch a ton of TV. I saw it back in the 90s but thought it was long gone.
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Don't know if they still air them, but the problem is they have that option at their disposal any time they jolly well please at their slightest whim.
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