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On 2012-12-01 22:34, Cameron Francis wrote:
Do they still air Masked Magician stuff? I haven't seen it in years. Then again, I don't watch a ton of TV.


It's on YouTube Cameron. Every stinking episode! Yeah, I don't do TV either. I watch what I want on Hulu. Smile

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Don't know what it's like Stateside but in the UK magic has never been more popular. Although this can't be solely attributed to Val (probably more Harry Potter), the programme certainly got people talking about magic. That can't be bad.

I think you were very unlucky with your experience Doug. Don't throw good tricks away because of one idiot. Get better at it or change the method. There's no way that all Americans saw the show & I'd bet that hardly anyone would remember the details anyway.
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On 2012-12-12 08:39, Russell Davidson wrote:
...I think you were very unlucky with your experience Doug. Don't throw good tricks away because of one idiot. Get better at it or change the method.


Good advice Russell! Smile I just avoid doing mainstream stuff now.

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There's no way that all Americans saw the show & I'd bet that hardly anyone would remember the details anyway.


You're right about that. The perception is far greater than the reality. Still, it upsets me when I see this type of thing happen. The show is on YouTube now, so anyone, anywhere can watch it. I really didn't care much about what the MM was exposing, until he exposed Charlie Justice's Prohibition! Then, he exposed the Dye Tube! Now, two of my favorites have to be retired for a while!

Maybe I'm over-reacting. This is just a hobby, anyway. I've been taking it too seriously... Smile

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Is Val a tool? Yes he is! Here's the thing tho...he got a lot of folks interested in magic who may not have ever found our art form. I know of 5+ folks who were laymen, saw the show, and are now "weekend warriors" performing for both family and corporate clients and it's all due to Val's special.

In the big scheme of life, this is just so not important. Has anyone on here heard about what happened in Ct.? THAT is something to be all up in arms about...not this!

Just sayin'...
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On 2012-09-28 13:15, R.E. Byrnes wrote:

Do better magic.



So let me make sure I understand this. I don't do a zig zag in my show, but it's a good trick. A REALLY good trick that has stood the test of time. According to your line of thinking, one should be fine with eliminating the zig zag from their show in favor of "better" magic?

Others here have said "Change the method..."- well, that doesn't work in our favor. If I were to invent a scientific marvel of a zig zag that really could divide the girl into three pieces, the audience would still walk away thinking they knew how it was done because "...that guy on TV revealed that one". It wouldn't matter if my routine included convincers such as showing that the girl was really cut- audiences simply don't think very far into it (for the most part) and they would still walk away thinking they knew the secret, thus minimizing the overall impact of your show.

Bottom line- the exposure is out there and is available for anyone with a cell phone to investigate. The good news is that most people won't bother- but for those who do, not good. Valentino is just plain wrong.
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On 2012-12-16 14:14, Christopher Lyle wrote:
...In the big scheme of life, this is just so not important. Has anyone on here heard about what happened in Ct.? THAT is something to be all up in arms about...not this!


Christopher, you are 100% spot on. I don't have kids. Never been married. But I do have nieces and nephews. So, yeah...you're right. I've avoided the news. Every time I get sucked into some story like this, it makes me cry, I can't sleep, have nightmares, etc.

I can't get away from it. The Monster's face is everywhere! In the checkout line, there he was on the front page of Enquirer...my whole day was sidetracked. Can't get far enough away! I am a single guy who spends a LOT of time in solitude. Up here in Maine, we seem to be isolated from all this.

I have opinions. They are not popular. However, who cares what I think about all this? I'm just one small fish. In the big picture, Val is part of the big problem. We want it all, NOW. We live in a "politically correct" society, that is as hypocritical as it is decadent. It really isn't Val's fault.

It's Bruce Nash. Ya want blood? Go after him! Google him. Follow the money trail. Bruce made many offers before Val stepped up and said he'd do it. It's all about money. And the pursuit of money is the real culprit, not "exposure" or what we consider ethics.

And, like drugs, there is a market. If there wasn't those shows would never have been done. Apparently people like it. So, there we are. Who's at fault? People who put money ahead of all else. If it hadn't been Valentino, it would have been someone else in the mask. Guaranteed.

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On 2012-12-01 22:34, Cameron Francis wrote:
Do they still air Masked Magician stuff? I haven't seen it in years. Then again, I don't watch a ton of TV. I saw it back in the 90s but thought it was long gone.

Yes, it aired in the NYC metro area.
I watched it a few weeks ago.
It was on one of the cable channels.
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Not to bring back unpleasant topics, but I want to say that as a non-magician for most of my life so far, watching whatsisname 'expose the tricks' was fascinating. The show, however in NO WAY compromised my enjoyment of, say, Penn and Teller's Flag, which I consider myself lucky to have seen in person in a very conservative town. Fine art is just ART, and there's no way that knowing how it's done ruins it because you can hand me the same paint and brushes Da Vinci himself used for the Mona Lisa, and I'll end up with cow crap on a stick. Some are just more talented than others in everything in life, not just magic. I'm one of those people who yearn to know - not because I think I'm good enough to perform it, or tell everyone else to ruin it for the performer or audience - but because my mind can't rest until I find or figure things out sometimes. And, as for thinking whatsisname was a 'great magician' his performance (even masked) wasn't in the same universe as some of y'all. Just sayin' what I think. The first trick I ever tried to perform was Greed by Daniel Garcia - I got my stuff ready, and practiced in front of a mirror and all that. And guess what - I still suck! I'd never call myself a magician, or ever even consider trying to do it in front of people. But, even knowing the work behind it, that little trick is still really cool to watch, to me. Anyway, those are my thoughts. They come from a different place than y'all's because I'm a spectator, for the most part. I hope you can appreciate my point of view.

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Not to bring back unpleasant topics, but I want to say that as a non-magician for most of my life so far, watching whatsisname 'expose the tricks' was fascinating. The show, however in NO WAY compromised my enjoyment of, say, Penn and Teller's Flag, which I consider myself lucky to have seen in person in a very conservative town. Fine art is just ART, and there's no way that knowing how it's done ruins it because you can hand me the same paint and brushes Da Vinci himself used for the Mona Lisa, and I'll end up with cow crap on a stick. Some are just more talented than others in everything in life, not just magic. I'm one of those people who yearn to know - not because I think I'm good enough to perform it, or tell everyone else to ruin it for the performer or audience - but because my mind can't rest until I find or figure things out sometimes. And, as for thinking whatsisname was a 'great magician' his performance (even masked) wasn't in the same universe as some of y'all. Just sayin' what I think. The first trick I ever tried to perform was Greed by Daniel Garcia - I got my stuff ready, and practiced in front of a mirror and all that. And guess what - I still suck! I'd never call myself a magician, or ever even consider trying to do it in front of people. But, even knowing the work behind it, that little trick is still really cool to watch, to me. Anyway, those are my thoughts. They come from a different place than y'all's because I'm a spectator, for the most part. I hope you can appreciate my point of view.

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"So let me make sure I understand this. I don't do a zig zag in my show, but it's a good trick. A REALLY good trick that has stood the test of time. According to your line of thinking, one should be fine with eliminating the zig zag from their show in favor of "better" magic?"

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So he was the first to expose magic to the public?

And people call him unoriginal because he exposes tricks they buy and now can't use?
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On 2013-02-22 21:49, Dannydoyle wrote:
So he was the first to expose magic to the public?


lol. Of course, Magicians were the first. The true enemy is always inside the camp.
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On 2012-09-16 16:08, Steve Friedberg wrote:

Allow me to ask a question: granted, we may all agree that what Valentino did was pretty lame, but has anyone's business, or love of magic directly suffered from what he did? Have any of us lost a booking because the prospect said, "I saw the Masked Magician...I don't want you here?"



I know of a few incidents.

Really.
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One thing the Masked Magician has taught me is to not rely on the magic tricks to entertain people. The art of magic is about presentation. I have performed tricks for people who knew how it was done, but didn't care because they enjoyed the presentation. I made them laugh, and entertained them. At the end of the day, that's all that matters to me.

I get kids telling me all the time they know how the coloring book works, but they also tell me it's one of their favorite tricks...go figure! I perform the linking rings even though most people know about the key ring, yet I don't get booed when performing my presentation of it. In fact, I get laughs and applauses. When I use my puppet, everyone knows it isn't real, most know I am making the puppet talk and move, but they don't care because they are enjoying the presentation.

I can't say if I ever lost work because of him because how would I know that? Yesterday I didn't get any calls, how do I know why I didn't, no less blame it on just one guy who happened to expose magic on t.v. So do many other magicians who don't wear masks. Penn and Teller for example. They expose tricks, but they are entertaining to watch. They make a good living off of entertaining people.

I don't agree with pointless exposure of magic tricks, but I am all for entertaining people. That's where the Masked Magician fails at. He's not entertaining to watch. People don't watch him to be entertained, they watch him because they want to know how tricks are done. These are the kind of people I don't want at my shows anyways.
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Guys... Guys... check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8tQgHiMGGU

This basically summarizes the "masked magician". I love this clip!!
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Wow, that must of been extremely awkward. I cringed twice watching that. Smile
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"In the big scheme of life, this is just so not important. Has anyone on here heard about what happened in Ct.? THAT is something to be all up in arms about...not this"

If it were only possible to care about one thing that might make sense. The reason not to care about this is that the exposure of wedge bases and the (incomplete) exposure of the Zig Zag on the Masked Magician just didn't amout to much. The volume of non-Masked Magician exposure on YouTube alone is many times all the Masked Magician episodes, and that's just an immovable fact of life. Adjust or move on.
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I used to be addicted to the masked magician when I was younger and it was instrumental in developing my interest in magic. However, now I think the whole idea sucks and it clearly has damaged some peoples reputation, reduced their audiences or caused them unnecessary embarrassment while being heckled.

I agree with the point that learning the basics of a trick from a book and developing it is a lot more satisfying than copying a routine that has been exposed on television (not that I have ever tried to do anything exposed by Val). The journey is more important than the arrival. I can honestly I have learned more from Hugard & Braue than I ever learned from the masked magician.
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If there is one thing The Masked Magician did for me, was I changed the way I do magic! I still do the occasional "magic trick", but the WAY I do it is completely different. If I buy magic today, it's something I want for my collection, or it's a unique effect, like the L*n@ series.

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On 2013-04-30 20:31, R.E. Byrnes wrote:
"In the big scheme of life, this is just so not important. Has anyone on here heard about what happened in Ct.? THAT is something to be all up in arms about...not this"

If it were only possible to care about one thing that might make sense. The reason not to care about this is that the exposure of wedge bases and the (incomplete) exposure of the Zig Zag on the Masked Magician just didn't amout to much. The volume of non-Masked Magician exposure on YouTube alone is many times all the Masked Magician episodes, and that's just an immovable fact of life. Adjust or move on.
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