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He really really doesn't know the damage he's done! And look at the fans...I give up.

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Doug, he should do a "Chef special/entree of the month" here on the Café. I bet the questions/reactions would be much different than those from the muggles.
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He did one on Kevin James' old forum in the early 2000s.
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Valentino is DIRT.
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Allow me to ask a question: granted, we may all agree that what Valentino did was pretty lame, but has anyone's business, or love of magic directly suffered from what he did? Have any of us lost a booking because the prospect said, "I saw the Masked Magician...I don't want you here?"

I didn't think so.

Magic has survived quite a bit over the years. It's surviving Valentino as well. You may carry on.
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On 2012-09-16 16:08, Steve Friedberg wrote:
Allow me to ask a question: granted, we may all agree that what Valentino did was pretty lame, but has anyone's business, or love of magic directly suffered from what he did? Have any of us lost a booking because the prospect said, "I saw the Masked Magician...I don't want you here?"


I suffered directly!

#1. I was laughed out of the Lani Kai in Ft Myers Beach Florida a few years ago, because of that *******! He exposed Prohibition by Charlie Justice, and a spectator explained it to a half a dozen people! I was never invited back.

#2. I did a small performance just a short time ago here in Augusta at a friend's house that has a Big Screen monitor hooked to the internet. I did the color changing silk using my P@lm0 Ball. Someone googled it on their cell phone (YouTube), and told my friend's roommate. He turned on the big screen and went to YouTube...yep, the Masked Moron shows how to use the Dye Tube!!! My friend said I need to find another hobby! Smile

I'm no pro, and don't perform that often. I SURE don't like to be embarrassed like that. Yeah, I'm an old guy, 56, and sometimes it just ain't worth it. I get over it though, eventually. I have now changed my whole act. No more mainstream tricks. I'm beginning to see Mentalism has not been attacked yet by the Masked ****** ******. I imagine it's just a matter of time.

You're right about needing to press on. Not worry about it. It is a very touchy subject for me. Right now I could say what I think about Valentino, and I GUARANTEE I'd get banned from the Café!

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On 2012-09-16 16:08, Steve Friedberg wrote:
Allow me to ask a question: granted, we may all agree that what Valentino did was pretty lame, but has anyone's business, or love of magic directly suffered from what he did? Have any of us lost a booking because the prospect said, "I saw the Masked Magician...I don't want you here?"

I didn't think so.

Magic has survived quite a bit over the years. It's surviving Valentino as well. You may carry on.
You are 100% wrong on this one ... I lost several gigs.
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As long as the Masked traitor is on TouTube, we ALL suffer. Cannot do a THING about it, though. We press on...

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[quote]On 2012-09-16 21:23, Dougini wrote:
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I have now changed my whole act. No more mainstream tricks.


See, all he really wanted was to get magicians to think about magic in new and original ways... Yeah, right!
Things are more like they are today than they've ever been before...
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Out of curiosity -- because I know nearly nothing about Valentino other than his career as the Masked Magician -- has he himself stepped up to the plate with anything new and original?
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On 2012-09-18 12:14, Magicbarry wrote:
Out of curiosity -- because I know nearly nothing about Valentino other than his career as the Masked Magician -- has he himself stepped up to the plate with anything new and original?


The network television show that exposed magic was a new and original idea, I guess... Smile
Things are more like they are today than they've ever been before...
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Magicbarry,people like him do exposures because they do not have 2 original brain cells to rub together!
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It's not as simple as that. Bruce Nash is the culprit. He and his cronies...no. I 'd better not start on that. I'll start using foul language. Being in the broadcasting industry for nearly forty years has given me...let's say "insights". Val just took the money and went with it. So did Mitch. Merely employees doing their jobs. Doesn't make it right though.

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On 2012-09-18 12:14, Magicbarry wrote:
Out of curiosity -- because I know nearly nothing about Valentino other than his career as the Masked Magician -- has he himself stepped up to the plate with anything new and original?

Brilliant thinking ..It is pretty Transparent what he's done .. But why no real outcry? And others still smootch his southernmost parts....????
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What really motivates someone like Val Valentino? When I read Dougini's post, it seems like there's something uglier than just ego/fame at the bottom. It seems to be a real hatred of magic and magicians! We all have run across spectators who really don't like magic, even as entertainment. ie they just DON'T like magic; and in this case, the man is actually a magician!
If it was a skeptic who wanted to expose eg a mentalist who was taking advantage of someone's memories of a dead relative; that might be different. Penn and Teller do a clear cup and balls ...and you realize this is not at all the same thing that Val Valentino does.
Does magic suffer overall? Maybe not, since its always evolving. However, as noted in Dougini's post, individual magicians may definitely suffer. It's much worse than even heckling (which some of us can handle). Lynn
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On 2012-09-19 16:00, lynnef wrote:
What really motivates someone like Val Valentino? When I read Dougini's post, it seems like there's something uglier than just ego/fame at the bottom.


It's just money, Lynn. Bruce Nash made an offer neither he nor Mitch could refuse. Val may have been struggling, and Nash put him in the spotlight. It was actually a whole team under Nash that started the whole .damn disgrace.

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In answer to one of the earlier posts, my business did not suffer as a result of the masked magician. In fact I noticed a definite increase in the number of adult gigs I got. There was a definite spike, because people became more interested in magic for a while.

A lot of good pros (as opposed to hacks) would say the same. He did us no commercial damage.
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On 2012-09-20 20:11, TonyB2009 wrote:
...my business did not suffer as a result of the masked magician. In fact I noticed a definite increase in the number of adult gigs I got. There was a definite spike...A lot of good pros (as opposed to hacks) would say the same. He did us no commercial damage.


I guess that's what matters most. Seriously. I'm glad at least for that much. A hack like me, though...yikes. It can be tough... Smile

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Doug, sorry. That came out wrong. I did not mean to imply that you are a hack. Just saying that those of us whose living depended upon magic found ways of making it not matter. And it did result in more bookings over here in Ireland and the UK.
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