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Magician Shaun
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Someone with knowledge please reply,

Are the moves described in Buckley's Principles and Deceptions, Specifically some of the "roll" moves, more difficult due to the tackiness of the Fakini balls? Also some of the productions seem to rely on the smoothness of a ball to happen quickly. Is this the case or am I just paranoid?

Before it gets mentioned, I am buying Levent's DVD as soon as Levent.com is back from vacation on the 24th.

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Shaun
Bill Hegbli
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This is where the advantage of the Fakini is needed the most, it gives the person total control.

Try practicing with the balls the moves:

The Ball Roll From Finger to Finger pg. 186 - 187
The Ball Roll with Another Ball Concealed in your Palm pg. 188 - 189
The Knee Roll Vanish pg. 190 - 191
The Wrist Roll and Palm Off Vanish pg. 193

Practice and a light touch will aid in your learning.
Make sure the ball rolls and you don't try to scoot the ball along.
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Hi Shaun,

The Fakini's will really assist in learning these moves and actually make them much easier. Also, I have worked with both wooden and silicone balls and their is only a negligible difference in speed.

Sam
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I don't think the Fakini balls are slippery at all. I was just wondering if for the moves I was describing it was expected that the ball was less tacky than Fakini balls are. I surmise that if everyone is doing those moves, that Fakini balls will be perfect for this. I was just curious as to whether or not those moves described by Buckley were common. I have never done them and wondered how they worked with Fakini balls since they didn't exist when Buckley was working.

Thanks for the advice everyone. I don't expect to be adding this to an actual show before next year. I practice with the balls several hours per day. I classic palm, do finger rolls, classic palm squeezes, finger dexterity exercises, etc. My right hand classic palm needs work to be more natural but I am left handed so that is expected. Once I have this aspect I will have to work on productions of the balls as well as the aforementioned concealing moves. I suppose timing will be next. Both hands will have to work in unison to make the routine appear fluid.

I will be doing this manipulation act I am working on in my street/festival show. I will also be doing it as part of my private party act. The latter will be a more controlled stage like environment. I suppose there will be things I have to learn to do very will under these circumstances.

I rarely see billiard manipulations that are not on a stage. Some street guys say it's not so bad but most don't perform effects like the balls so I don't know how high the mountain I am climbing is.
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OK. Both hands competently and quickly perform the Finger Roll. Both hands still need a more natural Classic P. I am building strength.

My next endeavor will be productions.
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You did not mention what size balls are using, this has a lot to do with classic palming.

What you should do is classic palm a ball in each hand, then go about your daily routine. This will help with getting used to working with a classic palmed ball.
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1.75 Fakini's. I do palm them all the time. I also found washing the balls and my hands helps.
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You may also find that weight is an issue. Fakini's are considerably heavy than wooden balls and for some moves this can be a disadvantage.

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Michel Fouche

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Some of these moves did exist before. Bill Baird did the finger roll and then it went up his arm and back down with wooden balls. He said the Fakini's made it much easier to do.

The biggest drawback to Fakini's is in some of the old time droppers will not work to drop out the mutiple balls.

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Denny Haney used to carry a metal dr*pp*r that had a kind of spring release mechanism that worked fairly well with Fakini balls. My own preference is to use single ball clips rather than droppers.

I have reposted the video of my rainbow ball routine to the
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(A write-up of my routine appeared a few months ago in _Linking Ring_.)

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