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magicman491 Veteran user 326 Posts |
Okay,
So I thought I would start a thread about people's preferred methods to memorize a deck. Thanks |
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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts |
Created my own flash cards.
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Bobby Forbes Inner circle virginia beach, VA. 1569 Posts |
Two words man..Harry Lorayne. Not just for memorizing cards but for memorizing "anything". There is just no better way
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magicman491 Veteran user 326 Posts |
Is harry lorayne's techniques of memorizing a deck beter than the techniques in Mnemonica?
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magicman491 Veteran user 326 Posts |
And where can I buy a product of Harry Lorayne that wil teach his mem deck technique?
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Go to harryloraynemagic.com and click the proper links. And/or go to harrylorayne.com.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
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ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2499 Posts |
There is no "best" method, as people are not all the same. Some love classic mnemonic techniques; others see them as adding needless layers of complexity. Some have no trouble with rote memory; for others, it's an impossibility. And so on. Those who promote one way as unequivocally "the best" are either misguided or marketing.
I address this topic in some detail in a free essay about full-deck stacks and the four methods used to memorize them.
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
I second Harry's suggestion. Harry teaches mnemonics and that's my preferred method to learn most anything, including a mem-deck. If you have Bound to Please Simon gives you his associations for his stack and teaches you how to learn playing cards with mnemonics. It's a very complete write-up on this subject. However, if you get Harry Lorayne's "How to Develop a Super-Power Memory" you will learn how to remember many other kinds of things. Scripts, numbers, dates, people, math and science formula's and much more. I can tell you that I might not have my college degree if I had not purchased this book in 1960 and started to use it in High School and then in college.
As to a deck of Flash Cards. This is a learning aid, not a method. With your flash cards in hand you can use Harry's or Simon's mnemonics, Juan Tamariz's sing-song and other methods, or pure rote memory. I prefer to record assorted drills on my I-pod so that I can work on them while out walking, or even while driving. Another great way to learn a mem-deck is by using Nick Pudar's Stack View. This is a program which you can download to your computer from Nick's Site. (www.stackview.com)It already has at least three mem-decks: Aronson, Mnemonica, and Joyal. It will allow you to create your own stack. There is also a drilling program. For example, I occasionally use it to sharpen up my memory of the Aronson Stack. You can set it to display the cards in random order and give you a variable amount of time before it tells you the answer. Or, it will randomly give you either a specific card or a stack number and then after a delay you can program it gives you the answer. (Hopefully this is a confirmation of what you have already called to mind.) I set it to display the card or stack number for 2.5 seconds. When you're first learning you might want to set it to 5 or even 10 seconds. I set it to display the "answer" for only one second and then on to the next. It will drill you on all of the 52 associations. You can then restart it and do the drill as many times as you wish. The program has many other useful features. If you're into Faro, you can choose a particular stack, or create your own, and then by punching one button it will give you the resulting stack for either an In-Faro or Out-Faro. And it will do much more as well. An excellent tool for a card-guy. Dennis Loomis
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magicman491 Veteran user 326 Posts |
Thanks Dennis
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drphil Elite user 444 Posts |
Magicman 491 Just Google Aronson stack , you will find a free PDF file called Memories Are Made. It is Simon's free information. A great read on his stack and memory guides as well as what you will be able to do once you have it down. It also has in the appendix section his stack. It is laid out by card name to number and by the mnemomic names. Once you have Read the free PDF then Google Aronson stack quiz. It is like a electronic flash card game. It will allow you to hide the card name or the card number. This is how I started and it was free. I was able to learn the stack this way and after years of using the stack it becomes instant as soon as a card is named you know the number and location in the deck. Aronson called it his in deck index.
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FatHatter Regular user I'm here you're there and that's that. 137 Posts |
Brute force rote memory.
When it's in it's in. No tricks, no shortcuts to fail. I forget lots of stuff but not my 52 friends. |
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
Best method is ... uh I forgot, sorry.
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
I have my own memorized deck which allows for some unique effects that I do. When I first sat down to actually memorize the cards I used some of the methods I learned from Harry Lorayne but I take advantage of the numbers have an association that I already knew. I found using those known associations made memorizing much faster. For example in my deck #31 is the 10D. Halloween is 10/31. I picture a pumpkin with a diamond shaped cut out nose. The 8D is #28. Where I live there is county route 28 with a diamond shaped sign. The 8 is the second digit of 28. Use numbers that have meaning to you like birth dates, SS#, favorite players number, 41st President etc.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
I should have listened to FatHatter decades ago - woulda'/coulda' saved me the time/effort, etc., of writing about 17 books on how to remember (as you never could before). Geez.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
To FatHatter,
When you say that there are "No tricks, no shortcuts to fail." You betray that you don't understand mnemonics. Your natural memory, without memory aids, is far more prone to memory lapses than mnemonics. That's why mnemonics has been around for thousands of years, why medical students use tons of mnemonics to memorize the plethora of information required of them, and why Harry has written all of those books. It is true that different people learn things in different ways, but for the majority, mnemonics is the best possible tool. Dennis Loomis
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ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2499 Posts |
Dennis wrote:
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It is true that different people learn things in different ways, but for the majority, mnemonics [are] the best possible tool. Allow me to pick a nit here. I will begin by stating that I completely agree with Dennis' statement. I am concerned, though, that some folks might interpret it incorrectly. A "mnemonic" (from the Greek, mnēmonikós), is, by definition, a memory-aiding device. But it's any memory-aiding device, like the nonsense sentence, "Eight kings threatened to save nine fine ladies for one sick knave" used to recall a fixed card sequence. Stack-learning methods like "rules" and "algorithms" are also proven mnemonic techniques for acquiring memorized decks. So it doesn't have to be the general-purpose method that I refer to as "classical mnemonics", but what is more commonly called the "mnemonic major system" (the approach popularized in recent culture by Harry Lorayne and others). One could argue that this is the technique with the broadest application, but it is certainly more elaborate than necessary for any particular application (like learning "eight kings", for example, for which I would argue that it is not the method of choice). In summary, I agree with Dennis if we agree that "mnemonic" should be understood in its literal context, not any narrowly specific one.
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
I bow to my friend Doug Dyment. I must confess that I was confusing classical mnemonics with the term mnemonics in the general sense. Thanks for the correction, Doug.
I would also like to make a small correction to a common misconception about mem-deck magic which is mentioned frequently in the Shuffled not Stirred area of the Café. Whatever device you use to learn your stack, you should not use that device while performing in front of an audience. You must get the specific card and its stack number into your long term memory. For Example, if you see the Ace of Clubs, the number 10 should pop into your mind almost immediately. Conversely, if you see the number 10, the Ace of Clubs should come to mind expeditiously. If you have to first think of the word Cat which represents the AC, and then recall that it's linked to the word "Tease" which represents the number ten, you may betray the fact that you are thinking pretty hard about something because you have to take the time to go through that process. This is true no matter what learning devices or memory aids you have used to initially get the association into your head. The goal is to make your magic seem as effortless as possible. Getting back to the topic of the thread, we must logically ask how we get the stack numbers and cards into long term memory? The only answer is repetitive drilling. I've been working with the Aronson Stack for about ten years, now, but I still drill myself on it several times a week. While watching TV, I will just hold a deck of cards and cut to cards randomly and recall the stack number. I also will recall the cards before and after, and sometimes I will mentally calculate the card I must start on to reach the card I cut to by spelling it's name. (Example: I cut to the Two of Clubs. I use Simon's Flash Speller from page 131 of Try the Impossible to determine that the Two of Clubs is spelled with ten letters. Since the Two of Clubs is at position 51, I deduct 10. Since the 41st card is the Two of Spades I know that if I start with the Two of Spades on the top of the deck and spell "T-W-O-O-F-C-L-U-B-S" letter by letter, the NEXT card will actually be the Two of Clubs. If I preferred to end on the card with the last letter of the spelling, then I would deduct one less than the number of letters in the name which tells me that I need to start on the Nine of hearts. Dennis Loomis
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Anybody "unintelligent" enough to apply, or try to apply, a memory-aid system to something that IS ALREADY a memory aid as in "Three kings threatened to save..." is - I guess..."unintelligent." Incidentally, silly to take the time to check, but I doubt if I ever used the word "mnemonic(s)" (or eidetic imagery, or sine waves, or left or right hemisphere of the brain, or amygdala) in any one of my seventeen books on the subject. I'm too result-oriented. If my readers want to go into those words/concepts, they need to find other books that rant about them, but rarely teach HOW TO REMEMBER BETTER THAN YOU EVER COULD BEFORE. (Capital letters are for stressing, not screaming.) Best - Harry. (Just my minimal thoughts on the subject - you'll have to go to "others" for more [or less].)
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
The whole purpose of technique is not to have to think, just as Dennis alluded to. To me, Harry has removed the hard work for you. He actually encourages you to utilize your thinking with his methods. Harry has already been the scout and taken the arrows for the benefit of all of us. If you have something that works, great. If not, this system will not fail you.
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mtpascoe Inner circle 1932 Posts |
I think one of the best methods to learn a memorized deck is Martin Joyal's. He gives a good way to learn to memorize a deck in very slow steps. My trouble is I just can't use to any kind of memorization techniques. I have Harry's courses and other books and I think they are great. Harry is a great instructor, but I don't know why I just can't get it to stick. It is a reflection on me, not Mr. Lorayne. I can memorize lines to movies and still can remember patter I did years ago, but can't remember the techniques in those courses.
With that being said, do get Harry's books on the subject. He still is one of the best teachers in magic and memory. |
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