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lucavolpe
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Guys...most of you knows...as soon the people know that you are a reader, you will have all around you!
Today, "readings" are REALLY a HIGH "earning speciality" and I know, for sure, that this book, will expand my arsenal as reader.
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Context is everything...

if someone's bought a book and didn't like it, fair enough!

it doesn't mean that it is forever defined as so, and vice versa...

I happen to think one of the best books ever written is The ***ation Game by Clive Barker - others will disagree, and they'd obviously be wrong...
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It was a peaceful day... And In the midst of a Meaningful Meditation, I felt YET again another disturbance in the force, and in this meditation a strange skull came to me and said 

"Scryer...BrotherHood" 

When I awoke...I knew it could mean only one thing. Scryer Released a new book and there was uneasy vibration in our Sanctum Walls. 

Wow is right MD...
 
 When I arrived at what was suppose to be a sacred place for fellow brethren of the Magical arts, a place of respect and honor. I looked around the room and I saw a good number of honorable men who understand the secret That is our Art... Magic, Mentalism, Mystery Entertainment, Clown, Reader or whatever other label we like to refer ourselves as. 

I can't help but to ponder the thought "A working Professional should always be open to new ideas and ways of thinking, to be flexible in an Ever Changing market." Most of the working Professionals have done most, if not all of the types just listed above to make a living at some point in time or another. 

We must remember that the Knowledge of any category of our business which we practice is A secret, it is the Secret of Business, it is a Learning experience... We learn the teachings that we need to enhance ourselves in the Business that we might be in at the moment, and sometimes we might figure out that what we are studying will not Benefit our growth or development of that business.

(if this is the case, Stop reading and Go study what will make You and Your business Grow)

  Believe Me there are many, many books out there that will give you what you want and are looking for. Maybe you're here to learn things to become more Diverse... 

 Ultimately it is up to the individual who Studies the Art they practice and Apply this in what ever means deemed Necessary to them. 

By now, I know most of you are looking at this post as being a little absurd. 

(there he goes ranting again)

 However I did Speak to Scryer briefly today about what has been taking place with all of this poppycock 

(that's right I said IT) "POPPYCOCK" 

 And I was informed that This will be the last book and this shall be lost to the sands of time. The Ones who will Understand the deeper meaning of the work put forth will Understand and those who do not...will not. 
  
 Dunninger said it best "For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not believe, no explanation will suffice." 
 
 To sum all of this up.. We need to be Thankful that there are people still out there that are Masters of their Craft and are Very Successful at it, Sharing their Wisdom on the subject. Everyone has different Tastes in the work they do, and Scryer has tried to appease most of them. 

Unfortunately it is sad to hear of someone in the community that Gave so Much, is treated in such a way, that they Felt like...they should have never put out such teachings to begin with... 

After this release it is said that Scryer will retire to a Temple Monastery hidden away Once again as one of those Best Kept Secrets. 

Thank You Pablo for putting the Ad for all to see, Thank You to all who have contributed to a Wonderful Collection of Sacred Books. 

And Mostly THANK YOU to all who have had the faith in Neal and everyone who was a part of such a Historical Moment...

May The Magic never die. 

Let the rest of this thread be about the Wisdom Shared. 

Love & Light my Fellow Brethren..
 
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On 2012-10-07 07:36, Darrell Mac wrote:
 And I was informed that This will be the last book and this shall be lost to the sands of time.


Like we haven't heard that one before.
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I can see John's point, we have all seen reading books put out by people who have no real experience and touted by those who have even less. But, I know Neal is a skilled reader, and I know Mota is a skilled reader. I don't know much about the others who posted.



Someone who actually read and understood my post. Someone else could have saved some time by understanding what he read before typing so freely with ideas so...uncertain.
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I am a 'subconscious symbol analyst' and as such do 'readings' based firmly in the psychology of shapes and colours and based on the fact that our minds think in images a large percentage of the time.

Thanks for taking the time to respond and not merely labelling me a troll because I happen not to agree about the Scryer books.

Aw
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Hello there SS, I've been interested in the study of old Symbolism and the teachings of such things, as long as I can remember.
As a child my Grandfather use to read to me the Greater and Lesser Keys just to get me to go to sleep and I was wondering if you
had work out there or on any of the Ancent Symbolic Systems and what your thoughts were on the subject. If so... I would greatly
appreciate any guidance as to I'm always wanting to learn new things. Even though it might be familiar, I'm always fascinated
by the Interpretaion of others and their findings on the matter.

Thanks Again. Happy Decoding
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The line between "Hype" and 'Enthusiasm' gets a little blurred sometimes. . . even more so when we begin to discuss Scryers material for some reason. Shame.

I doubt anyone ever earned a great deal of cash writing books for our community.... but, there are plenty of people out there making a fine living by USING the material published.

I am not well versed in the area of readings... and feel that this book may be a little ahead of the basic knowledge I do have...but, I still want it! Why? For the same reason I wanted the Black and White books.

Neal has an uncanny ability to take something as simple as a "thumb print".... and give it context, and meaning. His presentations provide an experience, that a participant will cherish and remember LONG after they have forgotten about some other guy...... who told them what word they had chosen from a book.

So, I guess some will take the material, see the beauty in it, allow their creative minds to consider variations...and then work it thoroughly enough to suit their own performance style.

Others will see no value in the material what so ever... sticking to the presentation ideas, and scripts that came stock standard with the latest and greatest electro gizmo thumpy doo-dad. Yawn.

Personally.... I can see an up side.
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I am in full agreement with Paul, maybe I'm just lazy and would prefer to spend money on others thoughts and ideas than think things up myself.

Regards
Dr Rob.
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Right, Paul. Writing books in these related arts, especially mentalism, is a labor of love. One is lucky if he breaks even. One of my dear friends, a world-reknown mentalist and author (now deceased) told me that if a book sold a couple hundred copies, the author would be lucky; 500 copies would constitute an earth-shattering record. For instance, the first editions of C.L. Boarde's "Mainly Mental" series, which are probably the most often cited works in the area of billets and book tests, sold less than 200 copies each.
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I'm sure that Neil's friends only meant well when they posted the news of this release here on the Café, however I honestly wish that this thread had not been started, as talking about this particular book on a Mentalist forum or the Café in general is disservice to the work.
It is as out of place here as discussing Coin Work on a Hypnosis forum.
Simply put,this material is solely for the professional reader or one who has more than a casual interest in the subject, and intends on following this line of study this as a career path.
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On 2012-10-08 17:37, kcalB wrote:
I'm sure that Neil's friends only meant well when they posted the news of this release here on the Café, however I honestly wish that this thread had not been started, as talking about this particular book on a Mentalist forum or the Café in general is disservice to the work.
It is as out of place here as discussing Coin Work on a Hypnosis forum.
Simply put,this material is solely for the professional reader or one who has more than a casual interest in the subject, and intends on following this line of study this as a career path.
SB



I agree with what you stated...... But an area on the Café just for Readers isn't going to happen.
It would be nice to have an area for readers and psychic work, but I am only dreaming.



Ray
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I am in full agreement with Paul, maybe I'm just lazy and would prefer to spend money on others thoughts and ideas than think things up myself.

Regards
Dr Rob.


Nothing wrong with that mate... I play cover songs for a living!!! Smile At least you know where you fit, and are aware of your own strengths and weaknesses.

Too many "Performers" get on here only to rant, and cast dispersions on things that they actually seem to know nothing about. Ho hum!
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It comes down to something I previously commented on in relation to one of Neal's previous releases, only those worthy of the wonders shared from the mind of Neal should have access to them, a select club so to speak.
Do we then unfortunately have to lay blame this time to Stevens magic for tipping the wink to this latest release, as with Neal's previous 2 collaborations I am sure Stevens magic again tipped the wink.

What do fellow readers think?

Dr Rob.
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On 2012-10-09 17:36, DrRob wrote:
It comes down to something I previously commented on in relation to one of Neal's previous releases, only those worthy of the wonders shared from the mind of Neal should have access to them, a select club so to speak.
What do fellow readers think?

Dr Rob.


I think that your post comes across as arrogant and encouraging elitism. Neither of which I want to be part of.
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I think all the scryer threads have become over-complicated...

I've enjoyed everything I own (personally speaking), I'm looking forward to this one as well...and the reason why I can, is purely because I enjoyed the others, so logic dictates that I shall enjoy this one too...

what I wouldn't like to see though, is people buying it because they feel they are "missing out" on something, if they don't do readings in any kind of way or aren't interested in them - then I hope they just leave the book alone!

I am looking forward to more info about it when it gets closer to the time...i've still got carnival of secrets to finish off before that though...
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On 2012-10-09 17:36, DrRob wrote:
It comes down to something I previously commented on in relation to one of Neal's previous releases, only those worthy of the wonders shared from the mind of Neal should have access to them, a select club so to speak.


Neal, Richard and Steven's magic are running a business and are trying to make money. If Neal or Richard shared your sentiments then I wonder if these works would have ever been written.

Mark
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On 2012-10-09 17:36, DrRob wrote:
It comes down to something I previously commented on in relation to one of Neal's previous releases, only those worthy of the wonders shared from the mind of Neal should have access to them, a select club so to speak.


Neal, Richard and Steven's magic are running a business and are trying to make money. If Neal or Richard shared your sentiments then I wonder if these works would have ever been written.

Mark




YEAH!! like those pesky, self serving artists, that made multi millions from painting.... 100 years AFTER they died.

Did you ever consider that the likes of Webster and Scryer just want to share knowledge for the sake of our ART!?

Like I said... No one... Including Scryer, is getting fat loads of cash by producing these books... I would be amazed if they come close to breaking even after all the costs are taken out of it.

Wake up.
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And even if they were making lots of money I don't care iam making my share Thanks to these books,
Thanks neal and Richard
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A book's value is a very personal thing that can only be determined by what the reader gets out of it.

To put it in perspective, take an accounting of how many books on magic/mentalism that you own. Now multiply that by the avg number of effects in each book. You can even low ball that number so as not to get this overblown. So now you have perhaps at least a hundred or a few hundred effects that you have the knowledge of performing. Some may have a few thousand.

How many do YOU actually perform? With this wealth of knowledge and a lifetime of performance material why are you even thinking about purchasing another book when you have not mastered everything contained in the books you already own?

In reference to the old saying, if you perform only one piece out of a book, did you get your money's worth? If the book spurred your thinking into new directions that led to something else that you now perform because of that thinking, did you get your money's worth? If the book led to you performing nothing out of it did it at least expand your knowledge base some more, or was it over-hyped?

I have found Scryer's books to be a melting pot of information. Drawing from the resources of his mind and some of the best minds in the business, there is gold in those books. But determining what is gold is different for each individual. Not everything was gold for me. But those that were gold have a blinding glow and made it into my performance list...and they kill.

So, were the books worth it to me? Yes.

Were they worth it to you? Would they be worth it to you? That's a question that only you can answer.

I'm done now. You may now proceed to your library and contemplate the contents of the tomes contained within and how much material you choose not to perform.
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